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Offline Michael T. Griffith

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #360 on: July 20, 2020, 01:53:05 AM »
So agree. I guess his “internal” polling isn’t showing Trump’s base is growing smaller and smaller. Not hard to figure. They too are dying in this pandemic that their leader believes will disappear really soon. Just around the corner.

You really need to leave the COVID-19 panic party and get a grip on reality. Do you realize that the U.S. COVID-19 crude death rate is 0.04276%. That is is 23 times lower than 1%. A crude death rate of 1% among the U.S. population would equal 3,282,000 deaths. After nearly six months into the pandemic, we are nowhere near that number. We're at 143,000 COVID-19 deaths, and the case death rate has *dropped* since most states began to reopen, whereas it skyrocketed for several weeks 2-3 weeks after the lockdowns began, which should not happened according to panic peddlers.

The 1957-1958 Asian Flu pandemic killed the modern equivalent of 216,000 Americans. Yet, there was no lockdown, no shutting down of half the economy, no putting millions of people out of work, no mass closing of schools, etc. Why did we not close schools, shut down half the economy, and put millions of people out of work? Because we decided that such a "cure" be too destructive compared to a more moderate approach.

To put this into further context, consider the following annual death tolls from other causes of death in the U.S.:

640,000 --- heart disease
590,000 --- cancer
250,000 --- medical errors
169,000 –- accidents
160,000 --- chronic lower respiratory diseases

Imagine if the major news outlets reported on medical errors in the same way that most of them have reported on COVID-19. Medical errors kill about 250,000 Americans each year, or about 684 per day, 4,700 per week, or 20,800 per month. Imagine the panic that would occur if we were subjected to daily reports like the following:

“Yesterday over 600 Americans died from medical errors.”
“Last week, 30% more Americans went to the doctor than usual, and the number of deaths from medical errors rose by 4,500.”
“The death toll from medical errors continues to rise, with over 1,800 American dying from medical errors over the last three days alone.”
“Three months into this year have seen over 60,000 Americans die from medical errors.”

The substantial majority of Americans who catch COVID-19 have at least a 98.7% chance of *not* dying from it, according to every statistic we have. People aged 1-49 who catch the virus have a survival rate of at least 99.5%. The **overall average** survival rate in the U.S. is 95.8%, but you really need to look at the survival rates by age group because there is a huge difference between the rates for ages 65 and over and the rates for ages 64 and below.

And, yes, we most certainly can and should reopen the schools:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/18/a-new-report-by-health-policy-experts-shows-path-to-reopen-schools/


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #361 on: July 20, 2020, 02:09:26 AM »
You really need to leave the COVID-19 panic party and get a grip on reality. Do you realize that the U.S. COVID-19 crude death rate is 0.04276%. That is is 23 times lower than 1%. A crude death rate of 1% among the U.S. population would equal 3,282,000 deaths. After nearly six months into the pandemic, we are nowhere near that number. We're at 143,000 COVID-19 deaths, and the case death rate has *dropped* since most states began to reopen, whereas it skyrocketed for several weeks 2-3 weeks after the lockdowns began, which should not happened according to panic peddlers.

The 1957-1958 Asian Flu pandemic killed the modern equivalent of 216,000 Americans. Yet, there was no lockdown, no shutting down of half the economy, no putting millions of people out of work, no mass closing of schools, etc. Why did we not close schools, shut down half the economy, and put millions of people out of work? Because we decided that such a "cure" be too destructive compared to a more moderate approach.

To put this into further context, consider the following annual death tolls from other causes of death in the U.S.:

640,000 --- heart disease
590,000 --- cancer
250,000 --- medical errors
169,000 –- accidents
160,000 --- chronic lower respiratory diseases

Imagine if the major news outlets reported on medical errors in the same way that most of them have reported on COVID-19. Medical errors kill about 250,000 Americans each year, or about 684 per day, 4,700 per week, or 20,800 per month. Imagine the panic that would occur if we were subjected to daily reports like the following:

“Yesterday over 600 Americans died from medical errors.”
“Last week, 30% more Americans went to the doctor than usual, and the number of deaths from medical errors rose by 4,500.”
“The death toll from medical errors continues to rise, with over 1,800 American dying from medical errors over the last three days alone.”
“Three months into this year have seen over 60,000 Americans die from medical errors.”

The substantial majority of Americans who catch COVID-19 have at least a 98.7% chance of *not* dying from it, according to every statistic we have. People aged 1-49 who catch the virus have a survival rate of at least 99.5%. The **overall average** survival rate in the U.S. is 95.8%, but you really need to look at the survival rates by age group because there is a huge difference between the rates for ages 65 and over and the rates for ages 64 and below.

And, yes, we most certainly can and should reopen the schools:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/18/a-new-report-by-health-policy-experts-shows-path-to-reopen-schools/

 BS: disinformation

There isn't one major country facing this disaster that we are. Making bogus comparisons to cover up for Donald Trump is disgraceful.

Hospitals and doctors are in a panic because all the ICU beds are full. They have no place to put severely sick people.

In Phoenix, they have no place to store dead bodies. They are using temporary refrigerator trucks. I'm tired of all these idiots downplaying this disaster we have going on.

This is not normal and could have been avoided of we had competent leadership. We will once again when Joe Biden is elected in a massive landslide.       
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #362 on: July 20, 2020, 02:14:17 AM »
And here we get a view of this amazing 'silent majority' we hear so much about directly behind Eric "Gums" Trump which are thousands of empty blue seats. Donald Trump couldn't even fill a 19,000 seat arena in the most conservative city in America. He is unpopular in red states too.   


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #363 on: July 20, 2020, 02:16:44 AM »
I continue hearing how enthusiastic Trump’s base is. That Joe Biden has no enthusiasm. Joe is a fairly low key guy. That being said, the national enthusiasm not necessarily for Joe but to remove the maniac in the WH is growing and growing. We’re past the stage of polling registered voters.Those being polled now, some 100 days before the election are likely voters. As the enthusiasm grows against Trump, that will be reflected in polling #’s. Trump’s base is shrinking. He knows that, hence he fired his campaign manager. The panic is setting in. It will only grow worse as the summer wears on and more Americans die from pandemic. Never, ever has there been less leadership nationally in America. Americans came together after Pearl Harbor. After 9/11. They will again 11/3.

   Bump regarding  BS: claim that, "Those being polled NOW, some 100 days before the election are "Likely Voters".  ABC/WashPost RECENTLY  questioned a "RANDOM SAMPLE/1,006". YOU do Not Know, what YOU do Not Know. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #364 on: July 20, 2020, 02:22:11 AM »
   Bump regarding  BS: claim that, "Those being polled NOW, some 100 days before the election are "Likely Voters".  ABC/WashPost RECENTLY  questioned a "RANDOM SAMPLE/1,006". YOU do Not Know, what YOU do Not Know.

Neither do you.  :D

Americans do not support massive unemployment, death, and infection.     

The point is you don't know anything besides what Q tells you.


Ryan Warned Trump He Was Losing In Wisconsin

Former Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI) recently warned during a private gathering that President Trump risks losing Wisconsin and other key states to Joe Biden in November.

Said Ryan: “Biden is winning over Trump in this category of voters 70 to 30, and if that sticks, he cannot win states like Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.”
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #365 on: July 20, 2020, 02:23:23 AM »
You really need to leave the COVID-19 panic party and get a grip on reality. Do you realize that the U.S. COVID-19 crude death rate is 0.04276%. That is is 23 times lower than 1%. A crude death rate of 1% among the U.S. population would equal 3,282,000 deaths. After nearly six months into the pandemic, we are nowhere near that number. We're at 143,000 COVID-19 deaths, and the case death rate has *dropped* since most states began to reopen, whereas it skyrocketed for several weeks 2-3 weeks after the lockdowns began, which should not happened according to panic peddlers.

The 1957-1958 Asian Flu pandemic killed the modern equivalent of 216,000 Americans. Yet, there was no lockdown, no shutting down of half the economy, no putting millions of people out of work, no mass closing of schools, etc. Why did we not close schools, shut down half the economy, and put millions of people out of work? Because we decided that such a "cure" be too destructive compared to a more moderate approach.

To put this into further context, consider the following annual death tolls from other causes of death in the U.S.:

640,000 --- heart disease
590,000 --- cancer
250,000 --- medical errors
169,000 –- accidents
160,000 --- chronic lower respiratory diseases

Imagine if the major news outlets reported on medical errors in the same way that most of them have reported on COVID-19. Medical errors kill about 250,000 Americans each year, or about 684 per day, 4,700 per week, or 20,800 per month. Imagine the panic that would occur if we were subjected to daily reports like the following:

“Yesterday over 600 Americans died from medical errors.”
“Last week, 30% more Americans went to the doctor than usual, and the number of deaths from medical errors rose by 4,500.”
“The death toll from medical errors continues to rise, with over 1,800 American dying from medical errors over the last three days alone.”
“Three months into this year have seen over 60,000 Americans die from medical errors.”

The substantial majority of Americans who catch COVID-19 have at least a 98.7% chance of *not* dying from it, according to every statistic we have. People aged 1-49 who catch the virus have a survival rate of at least 99.5%. The **overall average** survival rate in the U.S. is 95.8%, but you really need to look at the survival rates by age group because there is a huge difference between the rates for ages 65 and over and the rates for ages 64 and below.

And, yes, we most certainly can and should reopen the schools:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/18/a-new-report-by-health-policy-experts-shows-path-to-reopen-schools/

You really need to leave the COVID-19 panic party and get a grip on reality.

Fight windmills often, Don Q?

After nearly six months into the pandemic, we are nowhere near that number. We're at 143,000 COVID-19 deaths,

Which is the highest number of deaths in the world! Every other countries has less.... Go figure!

Btw, didn't you mean to say: "We're at only 143,000 COVID-19 deaths".... because that's how it came across... Just checkin'

and the case death rate has *dropped* since most states began to reopen, whereas it skyrocketed for several weeks 2-3 weeks after the lockdowns began, which should not happened according to panic peddlers.

BS... I have been in Spain, since early March, and they took a hit at the beginning but they got it under control by a functional lockdown. In the area where I am there have been some 2000 infections and 120 deaths since March and in the last six weeks the numbers have been minimal. The last death was a week ago. To claim a lockdown doesn't work is pathetic. A badly executed lockdown, because of ignorant people who don't give a damn about anybody but themselves and don't follow the rules, doesn't work and that's what you are really talking about!

Btw, the virus has an incubation time of 2 to 3 weeks, so the numbers that skyrocketed 2 to 3 weeks after the lockdowns began originate from before the lockdown.

The 1957-1958 Asian Flu pandemic killed the modern equivalent of 216,000 Americans. Yet, there was no lockdown, no shutting down of half the economy, no putting millions of people out of work, no mass closing of schools, etc. Why did we not close schools, shut down half the economy, and put millions of people out of work? Because we decided that such a "cure" be too destructive compared to a more moderate approach.

Translation; money over people's health.... That is what you are really saying, isn't it!

To put this into further context, consider the following annual death tolls from other causes of death in the U.S.:

640,000 --- heart disease
590,000 --- cancer
250,000 --- medical errors
169,000 –- accidents
160,000 --- chronic lower respiratory diseases


That's not putting it in context. That's spin to minimize the death toll of covid-19. I don't know if the number you give are even correct, but you seem to be saying that the covid-19 deaths are not important because more people die of other causes. That's just sick!

The difference between the covid-19 deaths and those in your list is that the deaths in the list are individual cases of people dying of a cause that they were not infected with by transmission from another person.

The substantial majority of Americans who catch COVID-19 have at least a 98.7% chance of *not* dying from it, according to every statistic we have. People aged 1-49 who catch the virus have a survival rate of at least 99.5%. The **overall average** survival rate in the U.S. is 95.8%, but you really need to look at the survival rates by age group because there is a huge difference between the rates for ages 65 and over and the rates for ages 64 and below.

What you completely fail to understand is that this isn't about the people that survive  the virus. It's about the people that won't because they get infected by somebody who is carrying the virus without showing symptons. Free movement without any kind of protective measures will ensure a faster rate of spreading the virus and ultimately killing the weakest people. Two weeks ago, in Zurich, they opened the nightclubs.... on the first night one person infected 300 others! Contact tracing allowed the authorities to find most of them before the thing got out of hand. The nightclubs are of course closed again and rightly so. You really must be foolishly thinking something like this can not happen in America.....

Stick your statistics where the sun don't shine and the next time you go and see your loved ones prepare a list of all the people you have been in contact with in this opened up economy you want so much... you know, just to be on the safe side....

And, yes, we most certainly can and should reopen the schools:

Kids get infected also.... and then they go to see granddad and grandma..... Get the picture?
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #366 on: July 20, 2020, 02:28:15 AM »
You really need to leave the COVID-19 panic party and get a grip on reality. Do you realize that the U.S. COVID-19 crude death rate is 0.04276%. That is is 23 times lower than 1%. A crude death rate of 1% among the U.S. population would equal 3,282,000 deaths. After nearly six months into the pandemic, we are nowhere near that number. We're at 143,000 COVID-19 deaths, and the case death rate has *dropped* since most states began to reopen, whereas it skyrocketed for several weeks 2-3 weeks after the lockdowns began, which should not happened according to panic peddlers.

The 1957-1958 Asian Flu pandemic killed the modern equivalent of 216,000 Americans. Yet, there was no lockdown, no shutting down of half the economy, no putting millions of people out of work, no mass closing of schools, etc. Why did we not close schools, shut down half the economy, and put millions of people out of work? Because we decided that such a "cure" be too destructive compared to a more moderate approach.

To put this into further context, consider the following annual death tolls from other causes of death in the U.S.:

640,000 --- heart disease
590,000 --- cancer
250,000 --- medical errors
169,000 –- accidents
160,000 --- chronic lower respiratory diseases

Imagine if the major news outlets reported on medical errors in the same way that most of them have reported on COVID-19. Medical errors kill about 250,000 Americans each year, or about 684 per day, 4,700 per week, or 20,800 per month. Imagine the panic that would occur if we were subjected to daily reports like the following:

“Yesterday over 600 Americans died from medical errors.”
“Last week, 30% more Americans went to the doctor than usual, and the number of deaths from medical errors rose by 4,500.”
“The death toll from medical errors continues to rise, with over 1,800 American dying from medical errors over the last three days alone.”
“Three months into this year have seen over 60,000 Americans die from medical errors.”

The substantial majority of Americans who catch COVID-19 have at least a 98.7% chance of *not* dying from it, according to every statistic we have. People aged 1-49 who catch the virus have a survival rate of at least 99.5%. The **overall average** survival rate in the U.S. is 95.8%, but you really need to look at the survival rates by age group because there is a huge difference between the rates for ages 65 and over and the rates for ages 64 and below.

And, yes, we most certainly can and should reopen the schools:

https://thefederalist.com/2020/07/18/a-new-report-by-health-policy-experts-shows-path-to-reopen-schools/

One more Hannity/Ingraham wannabe. Same propaganda, different day. This is hardly about recovery rates. Science, medicine at this time doesn’t yet know the long term ramifications of this disease. 6 months, one year, people can be a symptomatic or recover within a few weeks and still have huge issues down the road. You know this yet you say nothing regarding that. Why? What’s your agenda? Thankfully the schools in my area are not reopening but going to virtual schooling. When Trump is history come November I’ll make a contribution to those school systems.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #367 on: July 20, 2020, 02:30:31 AM »
   Bump regarding  BS: claim that, "Those being polled NOW, some 100 days before the election are "Likely Voters".  ABC/WashPost RECENTLY  questioned a "RANDOM SAMPLE/1,006". YOU do Not Know, what YOU do Not Know.

Storing has spent the past hour or so googling polling. lol. Now that’s entertainment.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #368 on: July 20, 2020, 02:33:32 AM »

  You got taken to the Wood Shed 2 times in 30 seconds. Ouch!

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #369 on: July 20, 2020, 02:38:07 AM »
  You got taken to the Wood Shed 2 times in 30 seconds. Ouch!

Says the guy who claims polling “likely” voters is BS. He never knew this polling existed until he was educated about it yet claims to “counsel” his clients. Funnier and funnier. Cannot make this crap up.

 

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