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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3352 on: January 15, 2021, 04:16:02 AM »
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The Epoch Times is a Q conspiracy newspaper that is totally discredited. No surprise that's where Mr. Fritzke gets his conspiracies from. China Don must be proud.

Now I am even more sure that coincidence explains things better than a Masonic-like Theory.

I never heard tell of the Epoch Times until a few hours ago when a "sample" issue appeared in my mailbox. It's a weekly (in this case, out of Toronto and heavy on China xenophobia, if not racism) that wants you to pay $3 or $4 per issue to read its lies.

Kind of like those in Canada who have to subscribe to a cable "package" to get Fox News. Or the Ultra-Right/NeoFacist chumps in the States who send Trump and Manafort money.

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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3353 on: January 15, 2021, 06:04:09 AM »
Now I am even more sure that coincidence explains things better than a Masonic-like Theory.

I never heard tell of the Epoch Times until a few hours ago when a "sample" issue appeared in my mailbox. It's a weekly (in this case, out of Toronto and heavy on China xenophobia, if not racism) that wants you to pay $3 or $4 per issue to read its lies.

Kind of like those in Canada who have to subscribe to a cable "package" to get Fox News. Or the Ultra-Right/NeoFacist chumps in the States who send Trump and Manafort money.

Quite a few of the Q-nuts on Twitter tweet garbage from this conspiracy rag so I'm familiar with it. This is Chinese propaganda and disinformation being pushed for Trump.   

Some of my relatives who are spread out all over the country also received the "free sample" paper. They thought it was a new local paper until they read all the b.s. published in it. It appears the Epoch Times are looking for new subscribers aka suckers as they peddle their disinformation nationally.   

Here's more info on this crap publication that peddles conspiracies for China Don. So much for the "liberal media".


The Epoch Times

The Epoch Times is a far-right international multi-language newspaper and media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement, based in Midtown Manhattan. The newspaper is part of the Epoch Media Group, which also operates New Tang Dynasty (NTD) Television. The Epoch Times has websites accessible from 35 countries but is blocked in mainland China.

The Epoch Times promotes far-right politicians in Europe and backs Donald Trump in the U.S.

A 2019 report by NBC News showed it to be the second-largest funder of pro-Trump Facebook advertising after the Trump campaign. The Epoch Media Group's news sites and YouTube channels have spread conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccine misinformation.

The Epoch Times has championed Donald Trump's Spygate conspiracy theory in its news coverage and advertising, and the Epoch Media Group's Edge of Wonder videos on YouTube have spread the far-right, pro-Trump QAnon conspiracy theories.

During the February 2020 Iowa Democratic Caucuses, The Epoch Times shared viral disinformation from the conservative group Judicial Watch that falsely alleged inflated voter rolls. The claim, which went viral on Facebook, was debunked by fact checkers and the Iowa secretary of state. A Harvard media expert quoted by NBC News said The Epoch Times employed a "classic disinformation tactic" known as "trading up the chain," in which false stories are repackaged and shared.

After Trump was defeated by Joe Biden in the 2020 presidential election, The Epoch Times produced a 93-minute video that falsely suggested widespread fraud in the counting; one interviewee, Lin Wood, falsely alleged that China had bought an American election vendor. Versions of the video on YouTube, the Epoch Times website and NTD were viewed hundreds of thousands of times.

During a six-month period in 2019, The Epoch Times spent more than $1.5 million on about 11,000 Facebook ads that NBC News said were "pro-Trump advertisements." NBC said the amount spent was more than any group except the Trump campaign itself. Political ad spending on Facebook in April 2019 through an account called "Coverage of the Trump Presidency by The Epoch Times" exceeded any politician's spending except Trump and Democrat Joe Biden. Journalist Judd Legum wrote in May 2019 that The Epoch Times ads were "boosting Donald Trump and floating conspiracy theories about Joe Biden."

In October 2019, the fact-checking website Snopes reported that The Epoch Times is closely linked to a large network of Facebook pages and groups called The BL (The Beauty of Life) that shares pro-Trump views and conspiracy theories such as QAnon. The BL has spent at least $510,698 on Facebook advertising. Hundreds of the ads were removed for violations of Facebook's advertising rules. The BL network of pages has 28 million followers on Facebook in total, according to Snopes.

The New York Times reported that The BL had used fake profile photos generated by artificial intelligence. The Atlantic Council Digital Forensic Research Lab director Graham Brookie said the coordinated network of fake accounts demonstrated "an eerie, tech-enabled future of disinformation." Facebook's head of security policy, Nathaniel Gleicher, said, "What's new here is that this is purportedly a U.S.-based media company leveraging foreign actors posing as Americans to push political content. We've seen it a lot with state actors in the past."

The Epoch Times is identified as spreading misinformation related to the COVID-19 pandemic in print and via social media including Facebook and YouTube. It has promoted anti-China rhetoric and conspiracy theories around the coronavirus outbreak, for example through an 8-page special edition called "How the Chinese Communist Party Endangered the World", which was distributed unsolicited in April 2020 to mail customers in areas of the United States, Canada, and Australia. In the newspaper, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is known as the "CCP virus", and a commentary in the newspaper posed the question, "is the novel coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan an accident occasioned by weaponizing the virus at that [Wuhan P4 virology] lab?" The paper's editorial board also claimed that COVID-19 patients can potentially be cured by "condemning the CCP."

The misinformation tracker NewsGuard called the French page of The Epoch Times one of the "super-spreaders" of COVID-19 misinformation on Facebook, citing an Epoch Times article that suggested the virus was artificially created. NewsGuard later changed the rating of the English edition of The Epoch Times from green to red.


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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3354 on: January 15, 2021, 10:08:30 AM »
LOL.  Then what did he mean?  He said the Capitol police had a "double standard" for their treatment of Trump protestors and BLM protestors.  A "double standard" based on the race of the protestors.  That is a text book definition of being racist.  Of course China Joe doesn't believe that.  He is an old school segregationist who was chums with members of the KKK as "Fee-dom" Harris has pointed out.  He was just reading something that someone wrote on his teleprompter because the Dems have to twist a racist narrative into every event.

Your messiah can't even read from a teleprompter. The fact is current and former cops were arrested for being in the insurrection and the Capitol police let them in. 

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3355 on: January 15, 2021, 10:19:38 AM »
The border wall is "ineffective" because some people are trying to saw through it?  What would they be doing if it wasn't there?  Pouring through unobstructed.  That is some logic you are using.  Are you Jim Acosta's dumber brother?  And it is exactly the same principle.  Obviously, no wall is full proof but a wall does provide protection which is why there is a wall around Nancy's multi-million dollar mansion and now the Capitol.

Poor gullible Richard has fully bought into the maga propaganda and got nothing out of it. He believed in a false prophet and ended up being conned by a serial con artist.

Richard thought a "big beautiful wall" was going to be built from California to Texas all paid for by Mexico. Instead he got a few miles of wall from money Trump stole from the military. Basically it was reinforcement fencing that smugglers still were able to get through. A total and epic failure.     

It is not the same principle. If your violent maga mob wasn't out to harm elected leaders then there wouldn't be any need for it.

Benedict Donal.d is an epic failure and destroyed America.


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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3356 on: January 15, 2021, 11:56:02 AM »
I don’t get it. What does Rudy Giuliani get out of all this anyway?

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Offline Joe Elliott

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3357 on: January 15, 2021, 11:57:21 AM »
Word to the wise for Alan Dershowitz. Cash on the barrelhead.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3358 on: January 15, 2021, 12:14:39 PM »
I still quote the federal constitution as the mainstay of how elections should be handled, senate, representative or president.   There is a procedure to be followed to amend the "manner" in which elections are to be held.  Would manner include allowing/disallowing mail-in votes, changing deadlines for receiving and the like? 

In the case of Georgia (or any other state for that matteR), it does not say it is to be decided by Raffensperger and Abrams behind close doors in a mutually agreeable fashion and then have it ruled on by a judge or state or federal court system - even if it was your sister or associate.  The constitution said there are 2 ways to change the "manner" of elections not 3.  The new precedent throws that one out the window or stretches the meaning of "the legislature"!

1) You need to bring it before the legislature and have procedures and manners decided.
2) You can go federally and  do it with congress
3) There are no other options, See rule 1 & 2!

Yes, it very "questionable" when you evoke special privilege due to COVID and use that to extend voter ballot deadlines, allow mail-in ballots and whatever other "manner" you decide you want to make.  That sets a precedent and with no SCOTUS ruling,  anyone can change rules as long as the judges in power okay it and 2 parties agree.

Did the Governor of Georgia create the position of the Secretary of State, which Raffensperger occupied? No. The position of the Secretary of State was created by the Georgia State Legislature. They created it so that there would be a person who would administer the elections. And Raffensperger was elected to his position by the people of Georgia. This position allows him tweak the rules for voting when unexpected issues come up. Like extending voter ballot deadlines due to unforeseen circumstances, like COVID-19. That is why the Georgia State Legislature created this position. So, these tweaks can be made, even within a few weeks of the election, if circumstances so dictate.

There is nothing in Georgia law that prohibits these tweaks to the election laws. Indeed, these tweaks are common in many elections.

In Florida in 2000, not the state legislature, but various county officials tweaked the election law. But allowing a type of ballot not used before. The butterfly ballot. These types of ballots had no be used before, or at least not recently. They came about because the Florida legislature expanded the number of Presidential candidates so that there were too many to easily fit on one page. These “tweaks” almost certainly cost Al Gore the election in Florida, which lost him the overall Election to George W. Bush.

Even though this tweak was not directly ordered by the Florida State legislature, tweaks like this are common. Circumstances are always causing elections to “evolve” from election to election. In no way does this mean that the vote in 2000 was fraudulent. Or that George W. Bush was not the true victor of both Florida and the national election.

Questions:

If changing the voter ballot deadlines in Georgia for 2020, done without explicit approval of the Georgia Legislature, invalidates the 2020 election in that state.
Then:
Why didn’t the use of butterfly ballots in Florida for 2000, done without explicit approval of the Florida Legislature, and never before or at least recently been used in Florida, invalidate the 2000 election in that state?

Why are not all state elections which have these tweaks, which are common, invalid?

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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3359 on: January 15, 2021, 01:59:35 PM »
I don’t get it. What does Rudy Giuliani get out of all this anyway?

Nothing. Ghouliani wanted money and now he needs a pardon for his crimes.