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Offline Rick Plant

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3350 on: January 14, 2021, 03:23:33 AM »
Trump overplayed his hand.   There was never any chance of overturning the election results because the election was stolen legally when many states used the pandemic as an excuse to change their election laws in a way that was advantageous to China Joe.  So it wasn't "fraud" per se as Trump has stated and there was no legal way to overturn the results.  Rather it was unfair with questionable and unverifiable results.  So there is a third group.  Those that accept that China Joe will become President but want the election laws that were changed to be reviewed and revised for future elections to ensure a verifiable and legal outcome.  Everyone should support that to avoid the cloud that now hangs over China Joe's presidency.

 BS:

You mean Criminal China Don who is in bed with China having his secret Chinese bank account.

More b.s. propaganda and disinformation. No state changed their election laws. All they did was give residents of their states an opportunity to vote absentee by mail so they didn't risk their lives voting during the deadliest period of the pandemic. Oregon state strictly votes by mail and so does Republicans in many states.

Benedict Donal.d attempted to steal the election by dismantling the Post Office so people's votes wouldn't be counted because of the slow mail and millions of votes were stolen.       


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3351 on: January 14, 2021, 03:28:04 AM »
Looks like a real solution!  Ban everyone you don't agree with - it does not come from Qanon crap what I posted.  Banning what posted is real free speech outburst.   The Youtube video likely had mention of some of the plutocrat names which is promptly dismissed as being false or hate speech and Big Tech protects itself by using censorship.  You must love BigTech Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, Google, Amazon and Apple as they are controlling the social space and what the peasants are allowed to see.  Pretty sad when you buy into these experts as spreading the gospel message and you are not allowed to form opinions on your own!   Censorship by these organization is currently proving that these people control your lives and they are 100% correct and infallible!

Again, you don't have "free speech" to post dangerous and violent threats or harmful disinformation.           

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3352 on: January 14, 2021, 04:08:47 AM »
Rudy Giuliani's explained that when in incited, I mean spoke, to the crowd to “exercise combat justice”, he wasn’t telling them to go to the capitol and exercise combat justice. He was simply making a “Game of Thrones” reference.

This makes sense, because if you have ever seen “Game of Thrones” you know this wasn’t a show about riot and mayhem, but was about different characters getting together to argue, sometimes heatedly among themselves, generally to end with one of the characters declaring “Your right, your lord is the true king of Westeros.

So, Rudy should have made himself clear and set some limits for behavior. That none of the protesters should behave in any manner unless this was also done by one of the characters from this series. And if they start doing something that was never depicted on the screen then they may be getting beyond civilized behavior.

In any case, HBO is announcing a new series that will go well beyond anything seen in “Game of Thrones”, called “Game of the Oval Office”, which will be introduced with the theme music from the “Game of Thrones”, showing pictures of characters from the Game of Thrones, along with their counterpart in the new show “Game of the Oval Office”:

Stannis Baratheon paired with Donald Trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stannis_Baratheon

Davos Seaworth paired with Mike Pence
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davos_Seaworth

Melisandre “The Red Lady” Paired with Melania Trump
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melisandre

Grand Maester Pycelle paired with Rudy Giuliani
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Glover

Catelyn Stark paired with Nancy Pelosi
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catelyn_Stark

Petyr “Littlefinger” Baelish paired with Ted Cruz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petyr_Baelish

Ramsay Bolton paired with Joshua Hawley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsay_Bolton

Gregor “The Mountain” Clegane paired with Jacob “The Horned Shaman” Chansley
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Clegane

And certain scenes like:

Climbing the great ice wall paired with people climbing the Capitol wall.
The assault on King’s Harbor paired with the assault on the Capitol itself

The first season is scheduled to come out by 2023. Don’t miss it.

Suggestions for different or additional pairings of characters or scenes are welcome.

I like the pairing of Stannis Baratheon and Davos Seaworth with Trump and Pence because Davos is always giving his lord, Stannis, sensible advice, which is generally ignored, often with disastrous consequences.
Catelyn Stark is basically a principled, intelligent woman like Nancy Pelosi
And the other pairings are all reasonable.

Thought I did not make it, Joffrey Baratheon paired with Donald Trump would not be wildly wrong.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3353 on: January 14, 2021, 06:21:03 AM »

The crazy part about Trump’s coup attempt is that if it had “worked”, if Congress under duress declared Trump the winner, Trump may be in Guantanamo Bay right now. The Joint Chief of Staff would have gone Ape Shit Bonkers and there would have been an overwhelming counter coup within 24 hours, as soon as they rescued the Vice President and as many Senators and Congressmen as they could.

On January 20, in the Vice President was not able to, the Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff would ensure that Biden was inauguration and hand over to President Biden a letter of his resignation, to be used if President Biden felt that he had acted improperly or doubted his loyalty to the Constitution. I would guess President Biden would thank him and immediately return the letter.

I can just see the scene on January 21:

Trump: Oh, hello General. You know I think you’re really terrific. We own so much to you all in the Military. I want you to know that we all love you and think you all are very special.
General: This way Mr. President.
Trump: This way? Where are we going?
General: This way Mr. President.
Trump: Well, I don’t want to go.
General: Sergeant!

I think, what Trump was really looking for, was revenge. Put in a big scare if nothing else. But I am not certain. I think he’s pretty nuts.
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Offline Allan Fritzke

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3354 on: January 14, 2021, 05:26:33 PM »
Again, you don't have "free speech" to post dangerous and violent threats or harmful disinformation.         

You don't much sense in your rhetorical posts.   You would make a really good LHO.   So it is okay to allow ANTIFA or BLM or Ayatollah Khamenei to post uncensored hate speech unhindered including a call to incite violence.   At the same time you censor the call for election integrity as a violent threat and harmful disinformation when you want to make sure your vote counts.  Sure does look unbiased and without agenda!  The NYPost makes a credible newspaper article about Hunter Biden's laptop pre-election and they are censored for it - no  freedom of press.  In that case it was called "harmful disinformation"!  Basement Joe has never denied any of it and refuses to make even a comment on it because it could be used against him.  It is not denied as false but rather part of a Russian disinformation campaign - plausible deniability - never forced to make a statement!   The most honest POTUS you would ever want! 

https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/twitter-execs-refused-request-to-remove-ayatollah-khamenei-tweets/

Again, You must love BigTech Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, Google, Amazon and Apple as they are controlling the social space and what the peasants are allowed to see and their unbiased and unabashed censoring!   This power should be taken out of the hands of the plutocrats.   The censorship that took place prior to and after elections proves that the country is on the wrong path and 1st amendment has been replaced by MSM propaganda.  This is what Communism did for their countries - take the blinders off Rick.  The country is in trouble big time.   The Chinese are laughing and happily push America on the path to destruction where there are no morals, values and ethics and soon will collapse and be replaced by a new form of world government.  RIP

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3355 on: January 14, 2021, 05:51:24 PM »
You don't much sense in your rhetorical posts.   You would make a really good LHO.   So it is okay to allow ANTIFA or BLM or Ayatollah Khamenei to post uncensored hate speech unhindered including a call to incite violence.   At the same time you censor the call for election integrity as a violent threat and harmful disinformation when you want to make sure your vote counts.  Sure does look unbiased and without agenda!  The NYPost makes a credible newspaper article about Hunter Biden's laptop pre-election and they are censored for it - no  freedom of press.  In that case it was called "harmful disinformation"!  Basement Joe has never denied any of it and refuses to make even a comment on it because it could be used against him.  It is not denied as false but rather part of a Russian disinformation campaign - plausible deniability - never forced to make a statement!   The most honest POTUS you would ever want! 

https://nypost.com/2020/07/30/twitter-execs-refused-request-to-remove-ayatollah-khamenei-tweets/

Again, You must love BigTech Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, Google, Amazon and Apple as they are controlling the social space and what the peasants are allowed to see and their unbiased and unabashed censoring!   This power should be taken out of the hands of the plutocrats.   The censorship that took place prior to and after elections proves that the country is on the wrong path and 1st amendment has been replaced by MSM propaganda.  This is what Communism did for their countries - take the blinders off Rick.  The country is in trouble big time.   The Chinese are laughing and happily push America on the path to destruction where there are no morals, values and ethics and soon will collapse and be replaced by a new form of world government.  RIP

So it is okay to allow ANTIFA or BLM or Ayatollah Khamenei to post uncensored hate speech unhindered including a call to incite violence.   

Hate speech has always existed and is all over the internet and pretty easy to spot. I don't like it one bit, but I will defend anybody's right to vent their hatred, as long as it doesn't incite violence. As soon as it incites any kind of violence it is no longer covered by freedom of speech

At the same time you censor the call for election integrity as a violent threat and harmful disinformation when you want to make sure your vote counts.

Stop spinning it. It wasn't a call for election intergrity; it was spreading a massive lie about unproven voter fraud that never happened which ultimately resulted in clear incitement of violence. Telling deliberate lies and falsely accusing people of something they did not do is not covered by freedom of speech.

The NYPost makes a credible newspaper article about Hunter Biden's laptop pre-election and they are censored for it - no  freedom of press.  In that case it was called "harmful disinformation"!  Basement Joe has never denied any of it and refuses to make even a comment on it because it could be used against him.

That the NYPost wrote a credible article remains to be seen. None of it's allegations have been proven and they were clearly positing it to influence the election. That's the definition of harmful disinformation. Joe Biden did not have to deny it. The Post had to prove that the allegations were true and failed to do so. If you want freedom of speech to mean that anybody can make up false stories about other people, for the purpose of doing damage to those people, than you will be in for a wild ride.

Again, You must love BigTech Facebook, Microsoft, Twitter, Google, Amazon and Apple as they are controlling the social space and what the peasants are allowed to see and their unbiased and unabashed censoring!   This power should be taken out of the hands of the plutocrats. 

Stop dreaming. Act against these companies and they will move out of the USA and continue. Block them and be accused of censorship. They are private companies who have their own rules which they are allowed to enforce. They throw people of their platform on a daily basis for misbehavior. Trump is no exception. If he wants to use their service, he should abide by the rules, just like everybody else. Being President doesn't give him the right to use their platforms to spread lies 24/7. If you ask me, they should have acted sooner.

The censorship that took place prior to and after elections proves that the country is on the wrong path and 1st amendment has been replaced by MSM propaganda.

There was no censorship prior or after the elections. They just stopped a bunch of people from spreading lies. Freedom of speech is not unlimited. When you say things that are not true and are only said to harm others, you are crossing the line. Period.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3356 on: January 14, 2021, 06:09:45 PM »
The NYPost makes a credible newspaper article about Hunter Biden's laptop pre-election and they are censored for it - no  freedom of press.

They printed and distributed their story -- there was no censorship.  Their tabloid trash was far from "credible" though.

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3357 on: January 14, 2021, 06:46:07 PM »
Bull.  There was nothing "unfair", "questionable", or "unverifiable" about the results.

This may be kinder and gentler than Trump's insurrectionist claims of fraud, but it's just as wrong.

I still quote the federal constitution as the mainstay of how elections should be handled, senate, representative or president.   There is a procedure to be followed to amend the "manner" in which elections are to be held.  Would manner include allowing/disallowing mail-in votes, changing deadlines for receiving and the like? 

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The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

In the case of Georgia (or any other state for that matteR), it does not say it is to be decided by Raffensperger and Abrams behind close doors in a mutually agreeable fashion and then have it ruled on by a judge or state or federal court system - even if it was your sister or associate.  The constitution said there are 2 ways to change the "manner" of elections not 3.  The new precedent throws that one out the window or stretches the meaning of "the legislature"!

1) You need to bring it before the legislature and have procedures and manners decided.
2) You can go federally and  do it with congress
3) There are no other options, See rule 1 & 2!

Yes, it very "questionable" when you evoke special privilege due to COVID and use that to extend voter ballot deadlines, allow mail-in ballots and whatever other "manner" you decide you want to make.  That sets a precedent and with no SCOTUS ruling,  anyone can change rules as long as the judges in power okay it and 2 parties agree.

What is the generally accepted definition of legislature?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_state_legislatures

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Each state in the United States has a legislature as part of its form of civil government. Most of the fundamental details of the legislature are specified in the state constitution. With the exception of Nebraska, all state legislatures are bicameral bodies, composed of a lower house (Assembly, General Assembly, State Assembly, House of Delegates, or House of Representatives) and an upper house (Senate)

That is a constitutional interpretation which the SCOTUS refused to clarify.   Does the manner of election decided for Senators and Representatives by the Legislature also apply to the Presidential election, often on the same ballot?  Common sense would dictate that it does!  Yes every state can change its rules, but there is a procedure follow.


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3358 on: January 14, 2021, 06:52:02 PM »
They printed and distributed their story -- there was no censorship.  Their tabloid trash was far from "credible" though.

Please don't distort.  Was it not censored by Big Tech and not allowed for millions of potential voters to see on their sites?   Is it okay to run a politically biased Democratic platform and call that Free Speech?   That is influencing elections which is illegal.  The government should ban all these platforms and allow no opinions to be shared - either side?     Why not allow people to speak and then allows others to rebuttal.  Just like we are doing here!  Do the peasants need protection from forming their own opinions and deciding fake news for themselves?   That is real free speech.

Even LHO was allowed free speech and to distribute Cuban pamphlets.  That being said, should the President have been protected from the likes of him as well.  If he was thrown in jail, the violence that ensued in that scenario apparently would have never have happened as he was in jail.  There is lots to say.  After countless of your own people die in a war (58,000 in Viet Nam war for example) maybe the leader in charge should be held accountable and thrown in jail for his deeds when he wasn't triumphant!
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #3359 on: January 14, 2021, 07:17:37 PM »

Hate speech has always existed and is all over the internet and pretty easy to spot. I don't like it one bit, but I will defend anybody's right to vent their hatred, as long as it doesn't incite violence. As soon as it incites any kind of violence it is no longer covered by freedom of speech

At the same time you censor the call for election integrity as a violent threat and harmful disinformation when you want to make sure your vote counts.

Stop spinning it. It wasn't a call for election intergrity; it was spreading a massive lie about unproven voter fraud that never happened which ultimately resulted in clear incitement of violence. Telling deliberate lies and falsely accusing people of something they did not do is not covered by freedom of speech.

The NYPost makes a credible newspaper article about Hunter Biden's laptop pre-election and they are censored for it - no  freedom of press.  In that case it was called "harmful disinformation"!  Basement Joe has never denied any of it and refuses to make even a comment on it because it could be used against him.

That the NYPost wrote a credible article remains to be seen. None of it's allegations have been proven and they were clearly positing it to influence the election. That's the definition of harmful disinformation. Joe Biden did not have to deny it. The Post had to prove that the allegations were true and failed to do so. If you want freedom of speech to mean that anybody can make up false stories about other people, for the purpose of doing damage to those people, than you will be in for a wild ride.

There was no censorship prior or after the elections. They just stopped a bunch of people from spreading lies. Freedom of speech is not unlimited. When you say things that are not true and are only said to harm others, you are crossing the line. Period.

It would nice if Basement Joe would just come out and deny it.   You certainly have made your point about inciting violence.  It is okay for Madonna to want to blow up the Whitehouse or someone holding up a cutoff President's head or saying when was a last time a President has been shot and draw graphic pictures.  Or what Nancy Pelosi said (a few posts ago I pointed out along with others!):
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I just don’t know why there aren’t more uprisings all over the country and maybe there will be.
That doesn't incite violence?  It is still on the internet - never banned.   I guess not!!!!!

If the President calls for a march in Washington, that  is grounds for inciting violence.   There are lots of court signed document where the person or persons allegate issues in the election go unreported and not investigated by media.  It used to be the MSM were called upon to be the people's voice and investigate and call politicians on their lies and falsehood.  That is no longer case as they are one sided and biased.

It makes me wonder what they will report on when their hero is elected and there is nothing to report on anymore!

Here is a signed court document - read it!  Did anyone listen to it or report it the public - too dangerous to examine election integrity!  Oh well the country will be finished soon at this rate.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mied.350905/gov.uscourts.mied.350905.1.19.pdf
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