Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2

[Richard Smith]

I loved seeing this 

Hoorah for censorship!  Big Brother must crush all dissenting views.

[Colin Crow]

Hoorah for censorship!  Big Brother must crush all dissenting views.

Let him call a press conference. I’m sure it would be reported. This is not a first amendment issue. The company decided he failed to comply with their TOS. Let him sue them......would be yet another loss. Maybe Rudy could file another brief in his briefs.

Actually they are likely protecting his interests, his messages are believed to have legal implications.

[Colin Crow]

It would seem that the use of the elephant as mascot for the GOP is outdated.

What do people think of the following options......

https://theweek.com/articles/464891/7-animals-that-eat-kind

I’m thinking chickens or salamanders.

[Joe Elliott]

Latest Poll numbers:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/jaw-dropping-poll-majority-of-republicans-blame-capitol-insurrection-on-joe-biden/ar-BB1cBSCR?ocid=msedgdhp

OK. At first glance, these statistics look pretty disheartening. They are certainly incredible. But the key is that 13% of the Republicans think that Trump is “A great deal to blame is a big deal” for the Capitol riot. If your average Pro-Trump politician was generally winning general elections 70% to 30%, this would be no big deal. But it’s usually much smaller. 52% to 48% or 56% to 44%. So, having 13% of your voter’s switch sides, is pretty catastrophic. That turns comfortable wins into loses, 45.5% to 54.5% or 49.5% to 50.5% loses.

I did imagine, before seeing this poll, that politicians like Ted Cruz wouldn’t even be able to get past the primary. I have overestimated the astuteness of the Republican voters by a great amount. Clearly, we can expect Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley to win their next primary. But the general election, that’s a different story. So, assuming this 13% don’t conclude in the next two years, that they were duped by fake news, these candidates are going to miss their 13% of the 2020 Republican base and I would expect them to lose their next general election to the Democratic candidate they will face. And in any case, their Presidential aspirations are done.

Another curious thing is that 2% of the Democrats find that Biden is a great deal to blame for the Capitol riots. It is well to remember that not all Democrats are white wine drinking, liberal minded people. To some of them, Donald Trump is a rock star. There is a great more diversity between the most extreme Democrats, or the most extreme Republicans, than there is between your average Democrat and your average Republican.

We know this Trump juggernaut is still being overrated by most people, Democrats as well as Republicans. By November 2020, it had eroded enough over the previous four years to cause him from barely winning an election (with the benefit of the Electoral College just putting him over the top) to losing by a pretty good margin, about the size as the average margin of victory in a Presidential Election. So, we see the following pattern.

November 2016 - Trump gets almost as many votes as Clinton, allowing a very close victory.

; four years past, with the last 8 months of ineffective leadership on dealing with COVID-19 and the big hit on the economy largely caused by COVID-19.

November 2020 – Trump loses by a fairly good margin. Two Republican senatorial candidates in Georgia get the most votes, as to be expected, but not quite 50%.

; Trump contests the election, with unsupported claims, which are increasingly shown to be false, like by manual recounts and court rejections.
; Trump is recorded over the phone threatening and cajoling the Georgia Secretary of State “11,780 votes”.
; Both Republican Candidates supports the Trump narrative, the election was stolen.

January 5 2021 – Both Republicans lose their election. Very close, but they lose. An amazing turn around in just two months, going against long historical trends in Georgia.

; Trump instigates a riot, which he was clearly calling upon for weeks that storms the Capitol.

While the decrease in Trump support is not near as large as one would expect, I am still confident that it will be catastrophic, for both Trump himself and any candidates that he endorses and who endorse him, and his campaign to take back the 2020 election.

Finally, it is also sobering, that the long-term survival of Democracy, is saved by a small sliver of voters who can recognize that they have been in error, about one in eight. If this sliver was much smaller, Democracy would be in serious peril. If democracy in America survives for the next hundred years, it will owe its survival to this small sliver, this one in eight voters, I suspect in both the Republican and Democratic parties, who won’t just stay the course even when their party runs off the rails. Let us give pause, and thank, this one in eight Americans. They are truly vital Americans. I wish there were more of them.

[Joe Elliott]

It would seem that the use of the elephant as mascot for the GOP is outdated.

What do people think of the following options......

https://theweek.com/articles/464891/7-animals-that-eat-kind

I’m thinking chickens or salamanders.

No. Never mind the “eat their own kind”.

Ostriches with their head in the sand.

It is actually the best way to avoid fake news, like seeing a lion sneak up on you. Or a liar sneak up on you.

[Rick Plant]

Hoorah for censorship!  Big Brother must crush all dissenting views.

Richard is another right winger that doesn't understand the word "censorship", freedom of speech", and "terms of service".

Benedict Donal.d is a guest on Twitter just like you are a guest of this forum. When you break the rules of the Terms of Service you end up being banned just like your hero did. He was continuously inciting violence on Twitter. That is against the Terms of Service. That is not "censorship". The First Amendment does not allow you to incite violence as your "freedom of speech". Quit whining.           

[Rick Plant]

There is talk of getting Trump to resign. How? It appears he fears prison. And pardoning himself most likely won’t work. But if Mike Pence promises him a pardon. If the Governor of Georgia, Brian Kemp, promises him a pardon. I think we would do it. And it would avoid the dangers of the next 11 days, possibly where Trump might try anything or, a more likely problem because outrageous orders won’t be obeyed, our enemies might strike Taiwan. Might strike the Ukraine. Might strike South Korea. There must be one condition. No more pardons issued from Trump.
Let me start out by making a shocking confession I have ever made on this board. I am a Conspiracy Theorist. Yes. that’s right. I am a CTer. Not of the JFK assassination. Not of any Large-Secret-Enduring conspiracy. But of a much smaller conspiracy designed to overturn the 2020 Presidential Election.
This plan of Trump, which he has had for months, since early December “Be there . . . It will be wild”, since September “Stand down and stand by”, was harebrained. How could he expect it to work, for a mob to seize control of the Capitol? The answer, I think, is that he had control of the leadership of the Capitol Police. That is why Capitol Police Chief Sund turned down, on multiple occasion, the assistance of the National Guard. While telling at least one Congresswoman to not worry, the National Guard would be there. I thought there was 300 National Guard nearby. I was wrong. They were requested by the Mayor and scattered about the city to address traffic control for that one day. It was not the Mayor’s job to protect the Capitol. So, it was just a relatively small number of Capitol Police who ended up guarding the Capitol. Not dressed in riot gear, as could have been done. Not even positioned in good positions to make the best use of their limited numbers. And, at least a few others, who opened doors, while the bulk of the policeman had to enduring being struck with fire extinguishers or partly crushed in doors.
How would Donald Trump know, weeks, maybe months in advance:
•   There would be no strong National Guard presence.
•   The police, at least initially, caught without wearing riot gear.
•   Would be out of position.
•   Certain “protesters” would lead a mob to the correct door that would be opened for them.
How did he know all this? Was he psychic? No.
So, my one condition, for a couple of pardons for one Donald J. Trump, is that he issue no more pardons himself. He must leave certain members of the Capitol Police to hang out and dry.

Seditious Donald will never resign. Kemp will never give him a pardon. It doesn't matter how many pardons he receives. He is still on the hook for crimes in New York state and he will be prosecuted for them starting January 20th.     

This isn’t merely some conspiracy theory. It’s been widely documented by the mainstream media that the Capitol Police removed barriers for the marauders, gave them directions to certain offices, took selfies with them, and ultimately gave them an escort out of the building instead of arresting them. His campaign team has been sending out fundraising emails all year wanting thugs join the "Trump Army" to take on liberals.

Also, right wing justice Clarence Thomas' wife funded buses for maga thugs to come to DC. She even posted about it on social media and now deleted it. Dark money was used to fund this operation as well with new reports coming out.

Benedict Donal.d talks in code to his cult. Stand by and stand down was code. That's what we witnessed on Jan 6th. Capitol police stood down as maga terrorists stormed the Capitol.

Seditious Donald also gutted the entire Government and installed his "yes men" stooges in place at the Pentagon who refused to send in the National Guard until later. Then during the rampage Seditious Donald was on the phone calling Senators demanding to overturn the election results before he would call in the National Guard. Pence had to end up doing it. This was all an operation.