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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2968 on: December 21, 2020, 06:53:33 PM »
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President Trump has called upon the Proud Boys and their allies to show up in Washington D. C. on January 6, promising things will be wild, i.e.: I’m counting on you guys to make it wild. It appears that Trump is under the delusion, I hope it’s a delusion, that the protesters, if wild enough, can be useful. Justify declaring Martial Law or something. Can the Washington D. C. police handle what might descend of them from large parts of the country?



False.  Here is what Trump actually said:

Peter Navarro releases 36-page report alleging election fraud 'more than sufficient' to swing victory to Trump https://washex.am/3nwaBCe. A great report by Peter. Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2968 on: December 21, 2020, 06:53:33 PM »


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2969 on: December 21, 2020, 07:40:44 PM »
I have no intention to continue this conversation. You're all over the place and in no way able to make a coherent point. On top of which you repeat already debunked lies.

Two examples;

We already have seen what happens in the ghettos of Paris where the Moslem people have set up shariah law and live in their own inner cities where you don't dare walk!

Total BS. Some idiot made this claim on Fox News a couple of years ago and none of it was true. I have an appartment in Paris and normally am there several times per year. The whole thing is a lie. There is no such thing as "no-go areas". But don't believe me, just watch the French telling you.


(*) Just in case you start attacking the Young Turks; I'm posting their version because I couldn't find the original video quickly enough. The fact that YT used the video does not devalue the information contained in it.
I stand corrected on that.  I respect that video you posted.   There are always things to learn and yes we do have some issues.   I did not back that statement that I made but I think most everything else I did in my statements.
   
I was biased and still am on that.   I worked in Algeria for over 5 years and traveled and stayed in Paris numerous times.   This was a time when "FIS" movement was there and people were getting their throats cut and acid thrown into the faces of young girls that refused to wear the hajib.   At least that is what the newspapers in Algeria were saying and what some of my workers were saying was occurring in their villages. I have no first hand knowledge.   Watching the Algerian workers working for me and their Moslem culture, it would not surprise me that you could set up pockets of shariah law in name in places like Marseille.  There system of justice is self administered and taken on by individuals - not by judge and jury!  Shariah law can have its courts but it is not limited to that and fundamentalists believe they can enforce the principles themselves.     

So yes I am a bit biased when it comes to separating cultures and believe in keeping these cultures/factions apart from our own.   Two of the men I worked with had their throats cut and heads taken - heads never found.   One French,  one Italian.   For me, these people can hide in the woodwork and become irrational rather quickly when concerning their religious fervor and radicalism and act on it.   I myself would rather sort out their problems within their own countries and borders rather than exporting refugees and their associated problems to the rest of the world.  If it means dividing the country up and keeping the parties away from each other - so be it.  That was initially what the UN was set up.  They are no longer peacekeepers as they once were set up to be.   That is my opinion.   

Unlike you, I will support fair speech and listen logically to all sides of every story before formulating my opinion and try supporting it with facts when I can and state opinion such as my last one but try to clarify.    I think Paris came to my head but I was thinking more of Marseille as a little more violent community where there are money more problems.   I still like the Mohammed Ali video and I think has huge merit.  I see major problems trying to integrate various religions and factions and have them all live in one big happy utopian city. We will see problems moving into all societies when both sides of warring parties move together into another country and continue the war. 

That is not good IMO!  If you want to be able to walk around without having to carry your own protection and security guard you had better isolate yourself by not introducing problems that negate your freedoms.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871315/Syrian-ISIS-terrorist-stabbed-tourist-death-Germany-wanted-cut-Christians-tongues.html


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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2970 on: December 21, 2020, 08:34:20 PM »
False.  Here is what Trump actually said:

Peter Navarro releases 36-page report alleging election fraud 'more than sufficient' to swing victory to Trump https://washex.am/3nwaBCe. A great report by Peter. Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election. Big protest in D.C. on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!
Richard: Trump's statements on the election are indefensible. Yes, he had the right in court to challenge the results, to claim that that elections laws were broken or violated (just as Gore did in a similar manner in 2000).

But he's gone way beyond that. The "be wild" phrase is inexcusable. We have a history of these right wing and leftwing groups going after each other. He has people suggesting to him that he declare martial law (based on what?) and that he order a seizure of the votes. These are the policies of a banana republic. He needs to tell those people who suggested that they need to leave the Oval Office, that such ideas are simply not acceptable. This is too much.

I agree that the criticism of him these past four years was often over the top and hysterical. But he's repeatedly engaged in reckless and irresponsible behavior. This is the president.
« Last Edit: December 21, 2020, 09:08:35 PM by Steve M. Galbraith »

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2971 on: December 21, 2020, 08:58:41 PM »

The only thing Dominion can do is change their name again.  That seems to be the theme with these electronic voting system providers. They never stick with anything very long before someone else buys them out!


Really?


I hope Dominion ends up suiing Sydney Powell for everything she's got and more. She has it coming after manipulating millions of people into believing the elections were rigged without a shred of evidence to prove it.....

Happy Xmas Mrs Powell!   :D

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2972 on: December 22, 2020, 03:02:06 AM »
The laptop is in the possession of the FBI not Rudy.  LOL.   There is an ongoing federal investigation of Hunter and James Biden.  There is zero evidence to suggest it is the product of "Russian disinformation" whatever that is supposed to mean.  Imagine the plan at the Kremlin to drop off a laptop at some random computer store in Delaware using a Hunter-double, hope the proprietor noticed its contents etc.  What a laughable scenario.  But if there were validity to any Russian connection to the laptop, where is the confirmation from the federal investigators that it is a fake?  That itself would be a big story for the media to cover - actual Russian interference in the election.  But they want no part of it because it is Hunter's laptop and contains information that incriminates the entire Biden family.

 :D :D :D

Fake conspiracies is all right wingers have...pathetic!

New York state will be indicting the Trump Crime Family after Jan. 20th.
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2973 on: December 22, 2020, 03:15:47 AM »
I stand corrected on that.  I respect that video you posted.   There are always things to learn and yes we do have some issues.   I did not back that statement that I made but I think most everything else I did in my statements.
   
I was biased and still am on that.   I worked in Algeria for over 5 years and traveled and stayed in Paris numerous times.   This was a time when "FIS" movement was there and people were getting their throats cut and acid thrown into the faces of young girls that refused to wear the hajib.   At least that is what the newspapers in Algeria were saying and what some of my workers were saying was occurring in their villages. I have no first hand knowledge.   Watching the Algerian workers working for me and their Moslem culture, it would not surprise me that you could set up pockets of shariah law in name in places like Marseille.  There system of justice is self administered and taken on by individuals - not by judge and jury!  Shariah law can have its courts but it is not limited to that and fundamentalists believe they can enforce the principles themselves.     

So yes I am a bit biased when it comes to separating cultures and believe in keeping these cultures/factions apart from our own.   Two of the men I worked with had their throats cut and heads taken - heads never found.   One French,  one Italian.   For me, these people can hide in the woodwork and become irrational rather quickly when concerning their religious fervor and radicalism and act on it.   I myself would rather sort out their problems within their own countries and borders rather than exporting refugees and their associated problems to the rest of the world.  If it means dividing the country up and keeping the parties away from each other - so be it.  That was initially what the UN was set up.  They are no longer peacekeepers as they once were set up to be.   That is my opinion.   

Unlike you, I will support fair speech and listen logically to all sides of every story before formulating my opinion and try supporting it with facts when I can and state opinion such as my last one but try to clarify.    I think Paris came to my head but I was thinking more of Marseille as a little more violent community where there are money more problems.   I still like the Mohammed Ali video and I think has huge merit.  I see major problems trying to integrate various religions and factions and have them all live in one big happy utopian city. We will see problems moving into all societies when both sides of warring parties move together into another country and continue the war. 

That is not good IMO!  If you want to be able to walk around without having to carry your own protection and security guard you had better isolate yourself by not introducing problems that negate your freedoms.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8871315/Syrian-ISIS-terrorist-stabbed-tourist-death-Germany-wanted-cut-Christians-tongues.html


Right wing propaganda outlets admit the "voter fraud" garbage they were pushing is complete crap after they were going to be hit with legal action. 


Fox News, Newsmax air statements debunking voter-fraud claims they pushed on air

NEW YORK — Two election technology companies whose names have come up in President Donald Trump’s false charges of widespread voter fraud in the presidential election are fighting back, prompting unusual public statements from Fox News and Newsmax.

The statements, over the weekend and on Monday, came after the companies Smartmatic and Dominion raised the prospect of legal action for reporting what they said was false information about them.

Both companies were referenced in the campaign’s suggestion that vote counts in swing states were manipulated to the advantage of President-elect Joe Biden. The companies deny several statements made about them, and there is no evidence any voting system switched or deleted votes in the 2020 election.

A nearly two-minute pre-taped segment was aired over the weekend on Fox Business Network programs hosted by Lou Dobbs and Maria Bartiromo, and a Fox News Channel show with Jeanine Pirro.

That came days after Smartmatic sent a letter threatening legal action to Fox and two other networks popular with Trump supporters, Newsmax and One America News Network.

The two-minute Fox segments aired in the form of a question-and-answer session between an offscreen voice and Eddie Perez, a voting technology expert at the nonpartisan Open Source Election Technology Institute.

“I have not seen any evidence that Smartmatic software was used to delete, change or alter anything related to vote tabulations,” Perez said.

The company says its only work that involved the 2020 U.S. election came in Los Angeles. Trump lawyer Rudolph Giuliani has falsely claimed that Smartmatic was founded in Venezuela by former dictator Hugo Chavez for the goal of fixing elections. Smartmatic was started in Florida in 2000. Its founder is Venezuelan, but the company said Chavez was never involved, and its last work in Venezuela came in 2017 when its software found the government had reported false turnout numbers.

After the segment aired Sunday on Bartiromo’s show, she said, “So that is where we stand right now. We will keep investigating.”

Perez also said there was no apparent business relationship between Smartmatic and Dominion; Trump’s lawyers have claimed with no evidence that Dominion’s vote counting system used at some locations in the U.S. elections had used Smartmatic’s software.

Asked Monday about the segments, Smartmatic’s lawyer, J. Erik Connolly, said the company “cannot comment on the recent broadcast by Fox News due to potential litigation.”

The network did not comment beyond the on-air segments aired over the weekend.

A statement aired by Newsmax anchors on Monday, and also printed on the company website, was much broader and concerned both Smartmatic and Dominion.

In the statement, Newsmax said there were “several facts our viewers and readers should be aware,” among them the lack of a business relationship between the two companies or that Dominion had any ownership relationship with George Soros, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and others.

“No evidence has been offered that Dominion or Smartmatic used software or reprogrammed software that manipulated votes in the 2020 election,” Newsmax said.

Company spokesman Anthony Rizzo said Newsmax itself had never made a claim of impropriety, but that others had appeared on the network to raise questions about Smartmatic.

“As any major media outlet, we provide a forum for public concerns and discussion,” he said.

There was no immediate response to a request for comment from OANN.

Dominion has not specifically targeted any news organization. Instead, last week its lawyers sent a letter to Sidney Powell, demanding the Trump supporter retract several of the “wild and reckless” allegations she has made about them. The company said some of its employees have been stalked, harassed and received death threats.

Powell, an appellate lawyer from Texas, was part of the president’s legal team immediately after the election but was disavowed after making accusations of a scheme to manipulate voting machines.

In its letter to Powell, Dominion lawyers Thomas Clare and Megan Meier said that the company had no ties “to the Chinese government, the Venezuelan government, Hugo Chavez, (British politician) Malloch Brown, George Soros, Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster.”

Powell did not immediately return a request for comment.

Clare said Dominion’s immediate focus is on Powell for what she has been saying about the company.

“Moving forward, we will certainly be taking a close look at others who have participated directly in the defamatory campaign, as well as those who have recklessly provided a platform for these discredited allegations,” he said

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/fox-news-newsmax-air-statements-debunking-voter-fraud-claims-they-pushed-on-air-01608595049

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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2974 on: December 22, 2020, 07:59:04 AM »
The laptop is in the possession of the FBI not Rudy.  LOL.   

The alleged hard drive is not. Why did Rudy refuse to let any news outlet examine it?
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Re: Trump supporters and conspiracy theory - Part 2
« Reply #2975 on: December 22, 2020, 08:04:50 AM »
Fake conspiracies is all right wingers have...pathetic!

It’s amusing to see “Richard” become the kooky conspiracy theorist that he is always ranting about.