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Offline Steve Barber

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #288 on: August 10, 2020, 04:28:33 AM »
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This, in itself, is proof that the puke wasn't standing in the entrance of the the TSBD in the Darnell footage.

So if a witness does not see you (or does not say he saw you) it's proof you were not there....Is that what you are saying?
 

  That's not all what I said--nor am saying.  Frazier, Oswald's companion on the morning of 11/22/63, and co-worker, is standing in the entrance way of the book depository with a person certain buffs are saying is Oswald.  Oswald became the most famous person in the world that day.  So, are you going to tell me that if Frazier and Oswald are standing together--within inches of each other-within a minute of the last shot, and Frazier standing within inches of Oswald facing each other--wouldn't have come forward after Oswald was accused of killing the president--and told the authorities that Oswald was standing right there when the shots were fired, or was standing there too soon after the last shot-and therefore couldn't have been the  assassin?  You don't think Frazier would come to Oswald's rescue--and/or anyone else standing in that entrance who most certainly would have known Oswald was right there after his face is flashed all over the TV and newspapers?  This whole thing is absurd.     

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #289 on: August 10, 2020, 05:40:19 AM »
 

  That's not all what I said--nor am saying.  Frazier, Oswald's companion on the morning of 11/22/63, and co-worker, is standing in the entrance way of the book depository with a person certain buffs are saying is Oswald.  Oswald became the most famous person in the world that day.  So, are you going to tell me that if Frazier and Oswald are standing together--within inches of each other-within a minute of the last shot, and Frazier standing within inches of Oswald facing each other--wouldn't have come forward after Oswald was accused of killing the president--and told the authorities that Oswald was standing right there when the shots were fired, or was standing there too soon after the last shot-and therefore couldn't have been the  assassin?  You don't think Frazier would come to Oswald's rescue--and/or anyone else standing in that entrance who most certainly would have known Oswald was right there after his face is flashed all over the TV and newspapers?  This whole thing is absurd.     

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #290 on: August 10, 2020, 07:18:27 AM »
 

  That's not all what I said--nor am saying.  Frazier, Oswald's companion on the morning of 11/22/63, and co-worker, is standing in the entrance way of the book depository with a person certain buffs are saying is Oswald.  Oswald became the most famous person in the world that day.  So, are you going to tell me that if Frazier and Oswald are standing together--within inches of each other-within a minute of the last shot, and Frazier standing within inches of Oswald facing each other--wouldn't have come forward after Oswald was accused of killing the president--and told the authorities that Oswald was standing right there when the shots were fired, or was standing there too soon after the last shot-and therefore couldn't have been the  assassin?  You don't think Frazier would come to Oswald's rescue--and/or anyone else standing in that entrance who most certainly would have known Oswald was right there after his face is flashed all over the TV and newspapers?  This whole thing is absurd.     

That's not all what I said--nor am saying.

Ok, sure sounded like it though...

Frazier, Oswald's companion on the morning of 11/22/63, and co-worker, is standing in the entrance way of the book depository with a person certain buffs are saying is Oswald.

They can only make that claim because in the past 57 years it has never been resolved who the person is that was standing there. Everybody else on those stairs has been identified. The authorities must have known earlier on there was somebody there, yet they failed or perhaps didn't even try to put a name to that person.

So, are you going to tell me that if Frazier and Oswald are standing together--within inches of each other-within a minute of the last shot, and Frazier standing within inches of Oswald facing each other--wouldn't have come forward after Oswald was accused of killing the president--and told the authorities that Oswald was standing right there when the shots were fired, or was standing there too soon after the last shot-and therefore couldn't have been the  assassin?

No, I am not going to tell you anything of the kind. I not a big fan of looking at a blurry picture to make an "identification", but I  do feel the image is clear enough to see that there is a person there. Having said that, there are IMO a couple of points to consider; (1) Oswald told Fritz he bought a coke and then went outside to see what the commotion was. Mrs Reid saw him walking in the direction of the front door holding a bottle and an empty bottle was later found in the stairs. (2) With the motorcade passing by, and shots being fired, it doesn't seem likely to me that anybody on the stairs was looking in any other direction but the street. (3) As I understand it, the location of all TSBD employees, except Oswald's, are accounted for. (4) Nobody has ever come forward to say he/she was the person on the stairs. Why not?

With this in mind, it seems to me not beyond the realm of possibility that Oswald got to that position, while the shots were being fired and the video footage was being filmed, without anybody consciously seeing him or taking notice. If he went back into the building only seconds later, most, if not all, people wouldn't even have been aware he was there. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying or claiming that he actually was there, I am merely saying that in theory it is possible he was and nobody saw him because they all had their backs to him.

Now, as to what Frazier would do, I can not comment. I don't know the man well enough to make any kind of determination about what kind of person he is. People react differently under pressure. Don't forget Frazier was initially arrested and interrogated. Fritz even presented him with an already written confession he wanted Frazier to sign. Even if Frazier did register Oswald's presence on the stairs, do you really believe he would recall that instantly in such a stressful situation or that he would tell the officers, who already suspected him of being an accomplice. He may well have figured that Oswald would resolve the matter himself by telling the interrogators exactly where he was (which is what he seems to have done) and futher investigation would clear him anyway. Obviously, 36 hours later Oswald was dead and there wasn't much point in coming forward anymore.

You don't think Frazier would come to Oswald's rescue--and/or anyone else standing in that entrance who most certainly would have known Oswald was right there after his face is flashed all over the TV and newspapers?

People were in a state of shock and most of them, if not all, were afraid because they did not know what was going on. Brennan said he did not identify Oswald in the line up for exactly that reason. So, why do you accept this when Brennan is concerned, but not in Frazier's case? And, like I said earlier, if Oswald was there briefly, Frazier might not have seen him at all.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #291 on: August 10, 2020, 08:32:26 AM »
     Oh come on!  Is that all you got out of my post?!   Read it!   Not one person who knew the anti-social Oswald through the experience of being snubbed by him when they would greet him on different occasions --or even Frazier who knew him personally--said they saw him during or after the assassination standing in the entrance way of the  building .  Had they, this would have instantly been an alibi for Oswald.  This, in itself, is proof that the puke wasn't standing in the entrance of the the TSBD in the Darnell footage.

 :D

Can you or can you not offer a single credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man, Mr Barber?

If you're scared of the question, keep on not answering it!   Thumb1:

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #292 on: August 10, 2020, 08:38:31 AM »
 

  That's not all what I said--nor am saying.  Frazier, Oswald's companion on the morning of 11/22/63, and co-worker, is standing in the entrance way of the book depository with a person certain buffs are saying is Oswald.  Oswald became the most famous person in the world that day.  So, are you going to tell me that if Frazier and Oswald are standing together--within inches of each other-within a minute of the last shot, and Frazier standing within inches of Oswald facing each other--wouldn't have come forward after Oswald was accused of killing the president--and told the authorities that Oswald was standing right there when the shots were fired, or was standing there too soon after the last shot-and therefore couldn't have been the  assassin?

 :D

And yet you have no difficulty accepting that Mr Frazier (and Mr Molina), who were standing at that front door when Officer Marion Baker came tearing up the steps, had no memory of having seen the white-helmeted policeman. Seems consistency ain't your forte, Mr Barber!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #293 on: August 10, 2020, 02:10:53 PM »
:D

Can you or can you not offer a single credible alternative candidate for Prayer Man, Mr Barber?

If you're scared of the question, keep on not answering it!   Thumb1:

 Oh, pardon me!  Don't flatter yourself, Mr. Ford! None of you conspiracy buffs say anything that "scare" me!
 
Your question is both ridiculous and stupid.  You expect a person to name "a credible alternative" to "Prayer man", when none of us know what all of the men who worked at the depository looked like!  Furthermore, no one knows whether "Prayer man" is an employee of the TSBD or someone off the street!  So there's your answer!  Like it or not!   

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #294 on: August 10, 2020, 03:25:23 PM »
Appreciate your patience there, Mr. Nessan, am not on my own computer at the moment, so had to actually go web surfing to find Baker's same day affidavit ---->

AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS

BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared M. L. Baker, Patrolman Dallas Police Department who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street and the President's car had made a left turn from Houston onto Elm Street. Just as I approached Elm Street and Houston I heard three shots. I realized those shots were rifle shots and I began to try to figure out where they came from. I decided the shots had come from the building on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston. This building is used by the Board of Education for book storage. I jumped off my motor and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he would show me where the stairs were. I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.

s/ M. L. Baker

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 22 DAY OF November A.D. 1963

/s/ Mary Rattan

Notary Public, Dallas County, Texas


Took the liberty of highlighting the points to ponder. Again, be wary of anything the lying rooftop tandem of Roy Truly and Marrion Baker say after this document. If you are honest as I suspect you are, Ask yourself How did an encounter outside of the lunchroom with an individual walking away from stairs now become amid a hastily contrived script about an encounter in a lunchroom? Please let that sink in a fair, objective manner sir.

Moreover, the wrongly accused, according to the authorities only weighed 131lbs on November 22, 1963, nowhere near 140lbs let alone 165.

Again, Mr. Nessan, be wary of the hastily contrived script that suddenly reared its falsehoods after Baker's same day affidavit. They willfully outright lied about their phantom exploits upon an otherwise Locked roof (from the inside). The wrongly accused didn't shoot anybody. Anybody.


The roof door was locked from the inside and could only be opened by someone on the inside which is what they did.

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Baker is not the villian. There were shots fired and Baker was trying to locate the source. Same as anybody would. He was running up the stairs and seen LHO out of the corner of his eye. A few seconds difference and Baker would not have even seen him at all.

Mr. BELIN - What did you see that caused you to turn away from going up to the third floor?
Mr. BAKER - As I came out of that stairway running, Mr. Truly had already gone on around, see, and I don't know, as I come around----

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Mr. DULLES - Gone on around and up?
Mr. BAKER - He had already started around the bend to come to the next elevation going up, I was coming out this one on the second floor, and I don't know, I was kind of sweeping this area as I come up, I was looking from right to left and as I got to this door here I caught a glimpse of this man, just, you know, a sudden glimpse, that is all it was now, and it looked to me like he was going away from me.
Mr. BELIN - All right. Then what did you do?
Mr. BAKER - I ran on up here and opened this door and when I got this door opened I could see him walking on down.
Mr. DULLES - Had he meanwhile gone on through the door ahead of you?
Mr. BAKER - I can't say whether he had gone on through that door or not. All I did was catch a glance at him, and evidently he was--this door might have been, you know, closing and almost shut at that time.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #295 on: August 10, 2020, 03:30:22 PM »
You ignored this the first time I asked.  Let's see if you continue to ignore it.

How does going down to get to the front door mean "above the second floor"?

 LHO said "I went down"---meaning he was on a floor above the 2nd floor where the encounter took place. "I went down" can only mean he was located above the second floor and went down to the second floor.