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Online Alan J. Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #176 on: August 01, 2020, 08:22:34 PM »
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I agree with all the statements Oswald makes in these videos. I don't believe he shot anybody. After seeing Jarman and Norman come in it seems more likely he went up to the second floor lunchroom. What is definite is that he didn't go outside to watch the parade (parade?) as we have video evidence of him specifically stating he was inside the building when the assassination took place. Something you have completely avoided dealing with.
(Fido sounds like a character, hope he's doing good)

On the contrary, I take the wrongly accused at his word, essentially believing that he indeed was in the building approaching the front door to head outside at the precise time of the shooting sequence. As he came completely through the door to take up his Prayer Man position Mr. Weigman (Dave) followed by Mr. Darnell (Jimmy, RIP) traveling multiples spots behind the presidential limousine in camera cars 10 & 11 respectively capture him on film after the shooting sequence. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #177 on: August 01, 2020, 08:46:19 PM »
It's hard not to. Video evidence of Oswald specifically stating it is difficult to circumnavigate.

He said it so it must be true.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #178 on: August 01, 2020, 08:52:41 PM »
Mr. Chapman, please view the astute response by Mr. Ford in Reply No. 133 within this thread (pg 14)

I've never seen an astute response by any of you lot.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #179 on: August 01, 2020, 09:23:02 PM »
Whereas only one lone witness, Mr. Piper (Eddie) says he saw Roy Truly at the rear stairs, two problems still exists for the hastily contrived script:

(1) Mr. Piper's testimony merely accounts for some guy accompanying Roy Truly, with an inference upon he was wearing street clothes instead of an unmistakable uniformed-dressed motorcycle policeman in an obvious white-helmet & long black-boots).

(2) Mr. Piper also reveals that his sighting of Roy Truly comes several minutes after the shooting sequence, so much for the immediate mad dash upstairs.

Again, a more likely scenario given the reveal of the wrongly accused actually being outside (not to mention that no one else can be accounted for standing in Prayer Man's position per all of the CE 1381 statements )

He slips back inside, taking up a position near the first-floor storage room amid his shock & disbelief about what just happened. He is sighted here by Mr. Campbell and his party returning inside the building. Given the first-floor storage room's close proximity to the first-floor elevator in the front of the building, he is "this man" who comes to the aid of Inspector Sawyer who enters the building at 12:34PM. WC counsel didn't seem interested in identifying Inspector Sawyer's, quote "this man", quickly steering the questioning elsewhere during Inspector Sawyer's testimony.

Later the officials realize they still have a problem when word gets back to them that a Ms. Judy McCully just happened to see Inspector Sawyer's entourage disembark from the elevator on the 4th floor (her statement was subsequently changed to being outside rather than upstairs to avoid the reality that she actually saw the wrongly accused). 

Upon returning downstairs after assisting Inspector Sawyer, the wrongly accused continues to be helpful: aiding Mr. Allman and subsequently Mr. MacNeil (Robert), giving them directions to where they may use a phone, then continues past Mr. MacNeil outside, where he spends 5-10 minutes with Mr. Shelley.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #180 on: August 01, 2020, 10:47:08 PM »
On the contrary, I take the wrongly accused at his word, essentially believing that he indeed was in the building approaching the front door to head outside at the precise time of the shooting sequence. As he came completely through the door to take up his Prayer Man position Mr. Weigman (Dave) followed by Mr. Darnell (Jimmy, RIP) traveling multiples spots behind the presidential limousine in camera cars 10 & 11 respectively capture him on film after the shooting sequence. Nothing more, nothing less.
Sorry Alan but once again this has the whiff of Magical Thinking. That is to say, something you are making up because you really want it to be true. But it does bring up an important point I'm unaware of which is how the Wiegman film is synchronised with the assassination. Let's have a look and see if your claim that Wiegman and Darnell " respectively capture him on film after the shooting sequence" holds up.
The obvious marker for the assassination is the shots which most TSBD witnesses claim to hear. Starting with Altgens 6, we see Billy Lovelady leaning out to get a better look at the Presidential limo but, more importantly, we see Carl Edward Jones looking off to the left. Altgens 6 can be synchronised approximately with z255-z260 in Zapruder:



In the Wiegman Gif below we can see Lovelady moving down to the position we see him in Altgens but the important point is that Carl Jones is still looking to his right. It is safe to assume the Wiegman image with Lovelady in the lower position is taken just before Altgens. The first Wiegman image, with Lovelady in the higher position is taken approximately 4 seconds before the second. From this we can conclude that the Shadow Person is in position before the shot that hits JFK in the back and the head-shot thus blowing your claim out of the water:



The last tiny thread you are hanging on to is whether the Shadow Person is in position before the first shot. Even if this can be demonstrated to be the case (which I don't think it can) Oswald's own words, that he was in the building for the assassination, demonstrate he is not Prayer Man.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #181 on: August 01, 2020, 11:34:30 PM »
 At best, those of us watching the president reacting to his throat wound in that famous Altgens 6 photo only see the Vice-Presidential follow up car in the frame, with considerable distance between it and the other cars traveling behind it in the parade procession still not even in view yet...

... including the one Mr. Weigman travels in (further behind at least two others in the procession, the Dallas Mayor's car and the National Press Pool Car as well). 

Upon the president's movement to clutch his throat as seen in Altgen's 6, the coup de grāce comes immediately afterwards.  So much so that even Marrion Baker, who is travellng well ahead of both Mr. Weigman and Mr. Darnell  hadn't even reached the point to even park his motorcycle yet. That's more than enough time for the wrongly accused to slip out into autumn air upon a tragic scene unfolding around him. 

 

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #182 on: August 02, 2020, 12:06:39 AM »
Folks,

Am heading off here for now, so any posts from this point on directed towards me for a response, I'm not ignoring them as much as I'll have to double back here tomorrow at some point.

That said, to share an idea of how far away Marrion Baker and those travelling behind him and, of course, the presidential limousine ---->

Mr. DULLES - So you were roughly how far behind the President's car at this stage?
Mr. BAKER - Sometimes we got, at this stage we were possibly a half block.
Mr. DULLES - A half block?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; as I say as I turned the corner the front of it was turning the corner at Elm Street.
Mr. BELIN - You mean as you were turning right from Main on to Houston Street heading north onto Houston, the President's car had already turned to the left off Houston heading down that entrance to the expressway, is that correct?
Mr. BAKER - That is right.


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #183 on: August 02, 2020, 11:30:48 AM »
Oswald agreed that he was inside the building at the time. If he was outside with his workmates wouldn't he be screaming from the rooftops that he had an rock solid alibi? But obviously he knew he had no alibi because at the time he was on the 6th floor at the snipers nest window shooting Kennedy.

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Poor Mr Mytton, your only resort is to trot out your old long-refuted Soopah-Doopah-Mytton-Chestnut!

Mr Oswald never said he was inside the building. He answered in the affirmative when asked if he was 'in' the building. Every time you continue to put the word 'inside' in Mr Oswald's mouth, we see your shameless dishonesty! Thumb1:

Now! Agent Hosty states clearly that Mr Oswald stated clearly that he 'went outside to watch P. parade'. Apart from the roof, there is literally only one place that can be said to be both in the Texas School Book Despository (i.e. part of the building, not part of the world beyond it) and outside... Have you guessed it yet, Mr Mytton?

That's right! The enclosed front entranceway!

That's where Mr Oswald said he was, and the reason he said that was where he was was that that was where he in fact was. And! The reason Captain Fritz and his crooked pals pretended Mr Oswald said he was somewhere other than where he actually said he was..... was that they wanted to frame him for the shooting. And you're still falling for the scam, and devoting yourself to making others fall for it too!

The Hosty note destroys you, Mr Mytton! it's why you tried to argue that Mr Oswald only said he went out to watch the rest of the parade------i.e. the bits that came after JFK! (I am not making this up, folks, it's what poor Mr Mytton actually said!)



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As for why Mr Oswald didn't scream his assassination-time location at the press, this too has been addressed-----------multiple times! But you, being a propagandist, pretend you never notice.

So! Once more for the benefit of He Who is Too Blind to See and Too Deaf to Hear:

Captain Fritz knows very early on that Mr Oswald was on the front steps. Under pressure to pin the shooting on his suspect, and not one to let trivial questions of basic justice get in the way, all he has to do is tell Mr Oswald: 'Look son, we know you didn't fire the actual shots. But we have you tied to the rifle. And that's what we're charging you with.'

Anyhoo, Mr Mytton, we look forward to seeing you pop up again in a few months with the same old easily-disposable garbage!

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