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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #104 on: July 24, 2020, 11:25:50 PM »
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The head bobs down. I think he's taking a picture. People bob their head down when putting a camera up to their face.

An interesting assessment. 

Conjures up thoughts about the small spy camera found within the possessions of the wrongly accused by DPD Detective Gus Rose ----->

A camera smaller than a cigar and weighing less than a cigarette lighter. -- *This description of the original Minox camera is taken from German manufacturer-company literature




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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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« Reply #105 on: July 25, 2020, 01:14:28 AM »
An interesting assessment. 

Conjures up thoughts about the small spy camera found within the possessions of the wrongly accused by DPD Detective Gus Rose ----->

A camera smaller than a cigar and weighing less than a cigarette lighter. -- *This description of the original Minox camera is taken from German manufacturer-company literature

Somebody bringing a camera to work in order to take pictures of the President would hardly be stood in this position. They would surely move the short distance to the edge of Elm Street to do so. Taking pictures of the backs of people lined up to see the motorcade pass by hardly seems worthwhile going to the effort of bringing in the camera, not to mention the President has already passed by.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #106 on: July 25, 2020, 03:09:00 AM »
A bombshell revelation @ Ms. Judith McCully's clarification where she really was positioned when the P-parade passed the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD) on Friday, November 22, 1963.

Is this yet another instance where the authorities dictated the "evidence"? What did this young lady observe from her actual position on an upper floor inside the building that afternoon that necessitated her removal to outside? Did she confirm the immediate actions of Ms. Adams & Ms. Styles? Did her actual position upstairs & inside the building debunk the hastily contrived script about a lone gunman descending the backstairs?

Was she, Ms. Adams, Ms. Styles and Ms. Arnold victims of misogynistic behavior? In the early 1960's, Were women expected to be seen and not heard?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #107 on: July 25, 2020, 10:06:09 AM »
An interesting assessment. 

Conjures up thoughts about the small spy camera found within the possessions of the wrongly accused by DPD Detective Gus Rose ----->

A camera smaller than a cigar and weighing less than a cigarette lighter. -- *This description of the original Minox camera is taken from German manufacturer-company literature

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The arguments against this being a camera held to the face are as follows:

It doesn't make sense to be taking photographs from this position  - in the '60's taking photos was not like it is today. Back then film was precious and people approached taking snaps in a different than we do today. There were only a very limited amount of pics that could be taken and, compared to today, it was a relatively expensive and time-consuming operation. Standing in the corner of the TSBD front entrance makes no sense as a place to take pictures. The pictures would be of the backs of those lining Elm Street mostly obscuring the Presidential motorcade. If it was someone taking a photos I feel confident they would walk the very short distance to the edge of Elm Street to capture the unique occurrence of the President driving by their place of work.
In the first image the head tilts forward when the light source is close to the face - its an unnatural position to tilt your head to look through a viewfinder unless you're taking a picture of the ground and it's more customary to hold the camera up to your face rather than lean your head forward to meet the camera.
We know the light source isn't a reflection of sunlight so what is the source of light. A flash bulb? Seems most unlikely it would be visible in both the upper and lower position of the arms but most importantly, it was a beautiful sunny day, a flash bulb wouldn't be used!
Where is this relatively bulky item in the Darnell image taken seconds later?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #108 on: July 25, 2020, 10:39:10 AM »
    The position of Both Hands at roughly chest height would be highly unusual for a smoker holding a lighted cigarette in only 1 hand. Based on the position of Both hands, what I see is more along the lines of a beverage/coffee? CUP. Suppose someone, (possibly a female), quickly ducked out of their office while carrying their coffee filled Personal Coffee Cup with them?  Their intention was to catch a quick glimpse of Jackie/JFK cruising by the TSBD and then quickly get back to work inside.
I agree, it would be highly unusual to hold a cigarette with both hands. So unusual it seems like a ridiculous point to make.
Both hands to hold a cup? What's it made of? Solid gold?
The right arm is in a perfectly natural position to be holding a cigarette, if the person is holding something else in their other hand it might explain the position of the left arm but this position doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the right arm. Your assumption that both hands are being used to hold an object is nothing more than that.
How is this cup generating light in the Wiegman Gif when the sun isn't reflecting off it? How is it generating light when the hand would be obscuring it in the lower position? If the object being held in the hand is something to drink out of why is the head tilted downward? This is not the way to drink anything.

Why is this person getting back to work when its the lunch break? There's still about a quarter of an hour to go before anyone has to get back inside to work.
This is obviously not something you've given much thought to. The idea that it is someone lighting a cigarette answers all these questions and more.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #109 on: July 25, 2020, 01:50:58 PM »
I think a Coke bottle is the most likely explanation.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #110 on: July 25, 2020, 04:35:12 PM »
I agree, it would be highly unusual to hold a cigarette with both hands. So unusual it seems like a ridiculous point to make.
Both hands to hold a cup? What's it made of? Solid gold?
The right arm is in a perfectly natural position to be holding a cigarette, if the person is holding something else in their other hand it might explain the position of the left arm but this position doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the right arm. Your assumption that both hands are being used to hold an object is nothing more than that.
How is this cup generating light in the Wiegman Gif when the sun isn't reflecting off it? How is it generating light when the hand would be obscuring it in the lower position? If the object being held in the hand is something to drink out of why is the head tilted downward? This is not the way to drink anything.

Why is this person getting back to work when its the lunch break? There's still about a quarter of an hour to go before anyone has to get back inside to work.
This is obviously not something you've given much thought to. The idea that it is someone lighting a cigarette answers all these questions and more.


   You are Failing to account for the time span Between the Images. If someone is lighting a cigarette, the flame is extinguished Immediately After the cigarette is lit. There is a Time Gap between the Images we are comparing, yet this Illumination Persists. This Time Gap eliminates a cigarette lighter or match being the cause of the illumination/Glow.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #111 on: July 25, 2020, 04:37:47 PM »
Nice one Joffrey, I hadn't actually thought of that. The Gif I posted is, I believe, taken from Wiegman. The following pic is from Darnell a matter of seconds later and in it there is no light source:



This strongly argues for the light source being something that can 'on or off'. If it is an object such as a cup or a bottle then where does it go in Darnell just seconds later?

   Bump regarding the Time Gap between Images. In this Image, workers are Now in the process of Re-Entering the TSBD After the shooting.
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