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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1970 on: September 23, 2022, 02:06:45 PM »
You can determine gender from an alleged “neck cut”?

Not many men wearing this kind of deal in Dallas '63:



And, unless something in PrayerMan's hand(s) is creating the illusion of a scoop neck, it's hard seeing this as a sleeves-rolled-up men's shirt with the first button or two (or three) open........


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1970 on: September 23, 2022, 02:06:45 PM »

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« Reply #1971 on: September 23, 2022, 02:47:52 PM »
Agent Hosty is giving this misleading account years later, when the risk of Mr. Oswald's presence on the steps coming to light has receded. Unfortunately for him, but fortunately for us, his own contemporaneous draft interrogation report came to light in 2019, and it says something completely different

Kelly says he was at the 10:30 interview on Saturday, Nov. 23rd. Those he states present were Bookhout, Fritz, US Marshall Robert Nash, Secret Service agents Grant and Sorrels, and Boyd and Hall.

    "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him.
     He described one of them as ‘Junior’, a colored boy, and the other was
     a little short negro boy. He said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread,
     fruit, and apples, and was the only package he had with him when he
     went to work."

Bookhout, at the same interview, wrote:

    "OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in
     the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but
     recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room
     during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was
     called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he
     could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."

The part of Capt. Fritz's report dealing with the Saturday morning interview stated Oswald:

    "said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him.
     One of them was called ‘Junior’ and the other one was a little short
     man whose name he did not know. He said he had a cheese sandwich
     and some fruit and that was the only package he had brought with him
     to work and denied he had brought the long package described by
     Mr. Frazier and his sister."

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1971 on: September 23, 2022, 02:47:52 PM »

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« Reply #1972 on: September 23, 2022, 03:16:13 PM »
Kelly says he was at the 10:30 interview on Saturday, Nov. 23rd. Those he states present were Bookhout, Fritz, US Marshall Robert Nash, Secret Service agents Grant and Sorrels, and Boyd and Hall.

    "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him.
     He described one of them as ‘Junior’, a colored boy, and the other was
     a little short negro boy. He said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread,
     fruit, and apples, and was the only package he had with him when he
     went to work."

Bookhout, at the same interview, wrote:

    "OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in
     the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but
     recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room
     during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was
     called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he
     could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."

The part of Capt. Fritz's report dealing with the Saturday morning interview stated Oswald:

    "said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him.
     One of them was called ‘Junior’ and the other one was a little short
     man whose name he did not know. He said he had a cheese sandwich
     and some fruit and that was the only package he had brought with him
     to work and denied he had brought the long package described by
     Mr. Frazier and his sister."

Exactly---------------putting these reports side by side lets us see what happened: Insp. Kelley & Captain Fritz embellished (or being MOST charitable, misconstrued) Mr. Oswald's recollection of eating alone but seeing Messrs. Norman & Jarman walking through into a claim of actually eating lunch with them.

And, of course, none of them have Mr. Oswald putting himself in the domino room at the time of the P. Parade

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« Reply #1973 on: September 24, 2022, 11:09:28 PM »
Ms. Arnold is placed in the doorway by Mr. Shelley in an FBI interview. When she was asked about her reported sighting of Mr. Oswald behind the doorway years later, she got awful defensive. She may have left the group out by the street at the last minute (being heavily pregnant and wanting to get out of the sunlight) and, on her way into the entranceway, noticed Mr. Oswald just behind the glass door (just before he came outside). The FBI might have screwed with the timeframe on what she told them (as well of course as suppressing her earlier sighting of Mr. Oswald in the lunchroom several minutes before the motorcade).

From the Shelley FBI report 3/18/64:



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« Reply #1973 on: September 24, 2022, 11:09:28 PM »

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« Reply #1974 on: September 26, 2022, 10:31:56 PM »
Kelly says he was at the 10:30 interview on Saturday, Nov. 23rd. Those he states present were Bookhout, Fritz, US Marshall Robert Nash, Secret Service agents Grant and Sorrels, and Boyd and Hall.

    "He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him.
     He described one of them as ‘Junior’, a colored boy, and the other was
     a little short negro boy. He said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread,
     fruit, and apples, and was the only package he had with him when he
     went to work."

Bookhout, at the same interview, wrote:

    "OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in
     the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but
     recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room
     during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was
     called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he
     could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."

The part of Capt. Fritz's report dealing with the Saturday morning interview stated Oswald:

    "said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him.
     One of them was called ‘Junior’ and the other one was a little short
     man whose name he did not know. He said he had a cheese sandwich
     and some fruit and that was the only package he had brought with him
     to work and denied he had brought the long package described by
     Mr. Frazier and his sister."

On Saturday 11/23 /63  in his report DL 89-43 FBI agent James Bookhout, said that .....

 "OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in
     the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but
     recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room
     during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was
     called ‘Junior’ and the other was a short individual whose name he
     could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize."


At this 10:30 Saturday morning interrogation Thomas Kelley was present.....And the primary reason that Fritz wanted to interrogate Lee Oswald is because he had learned that Lee had got off the bus and caught a taxi to his rooming house in Oak Cliff....and he wanted to hear what Lee had to say about that...  Lee said that yes, it was true that he had got off the bus and took a taxi to is room at 1026 N. Beckley .He told Fritz that he paid a fare of 85 cents .....   THAT taxi ride  was the primary reason for the 10:30 session....

Sooooo... Both Bookhou,t and Kelley, reported that Lee told Fritz that his fare was 85 cents...  William Whaley testified that the man he transported to Oakcliff BEFORE the assassination ( He said the man entered his  taxi at 12:30 ) paid a fare of 95 cents.   

Lee Oswald was NOT Whaley's passenger.

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« Reply #1974 on: September 26, 2022, 10:31:56 PM »

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« Reply #1975 on: September 27, 2022, 07:35:12 PM »
Any possibility that this white ring effect in this newer Darnell  version of PM is due to the white  T-shirt showing thru a brown shirt not fully buttoned at the neck?

I  asked the ? Why the conspirators didn’t blacken out PM and answered my own ? by suggesting that at the time the image was so obscured already they didn’t think it was any possible proof of Oswald out front.

Since Mr. Ford as pointed out , the shadow anomaly on Lovelady has not yet been adequately explained (nor replicated via experiment) and so as CTs :) we of course suspect purposeful obfuscation of this area for some reason.

I thought we had arrived at the CT reason for  the anomalous shadow on Lovelady  due to a necessity to hide the right ARM of Lovelady because his sleeves were not rolled up.

This was supposedly  to cover for the early quick alteration of the Altgens photo 6 (Cronkite version) trying to make it appear that a raised forearm belonged to Lewis, the black man at the bottom of the steps NW side. The shirt sleeve appears rolled up.

However after this quick alteration, they realized they made a glaring mistake , because Lewis sleeve was NOT rolled up AND there was still the anomaly of a horizontal dark object ( looking much like a bottle )

So the 2nd correction to Altgens photo was to make the raised arm and the dark horizontal slash (bottle) disappear entirely by graphing in texture of Loveladys shirt sleeve so as to make it appear as Loveladys right arm .

But the conspirators made one more error which is that Loveladys arm has no hand at the end of the shirt sleeve AND the shirt sleeve appears to be extend IN FRONT of part of Lewis face which is another anomaly because Lovelady was BEHIND Lewis several desk steps back.


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« Reply #1975 on: September 27, 2022, 07:35:12 PM »

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1976 on: September 28, 2022, 01:48:22 AM »
Any possibility that this white ring effect in this newer Darnell  version of PM is due to the white  T-shirt showing thru a brown shirt not fully buttoned at the neck?

I  asked the ? Why the conspirators didn’t blacken out PM and answered my own ? by suggesting that at the time the image was so obscured already they didn’t think it was any possible proof of Oswald out front.

Since Mr. Ford as pointed out , the shadow anomaly on Lovelady has not yet been adequately explained (nor replicated via experiment) and so as CTs :) we of course suspect purposeful obfuscation of this area for some reason.

I thought we had arrived at the CT reason for  the anomalous shadow on Lovelady  due to a necessity to hide the right ARM of Lovelady because his sleeves were not rolled up.

This was supposedly  to cover for the early quick alteration of the Altgens photo 6 (Cronkite version) trying to make it appear that a raised forearm belonged to Lewis, the black man at the bottom of the steps NW side. The shirt sleeve appears rolled up.

However after this quick alteration, they realized they made a glaring mistake , because Lewis sleeve was NOT rolled up AND there was still the anomaly of a horizontal dark object ( looking much like a bottle )

So the 2nd correction to Altgens photo was to make the raised arm and the dark horizontal slash (bottle) disappear entirely by graphing in texture of Loveladys shirt sleeve so as to make it appear as Loveladys right arm .

But the conspirators made one more error which is that Loveladys arm has no hand at the end of the shirt sleeve AND the shirt sleeve appears to be extend IN FRONT of part of Lewis face which is another anomaly because Lovelady was BEHIND Lewis several desk steps back.

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Re. PrayerMan in Darnell:

The scoop line of the upper garment just doesn't, in my opinion, look like it could realistically be yielded by a man's shirt open a couple of buttons. Too round.

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Re. Altgens/Wiegman:

When I first noticed this in the version of Altgens shown by Mr. Cronkite the evening of the assassination----------



-----------I tried to relate it to the PrayerMan issue. I was troubled by the fact that, for Altgens to be showing PrayerMan/LHO, then PrayerMan/LHO must have MOVED position in a VERY short time (i.e. the time difference between Altgens & Wiegman). Messy!

But what if there is NO RELATION between PrayerMan-in-Wiegman and what the Cronkite version of Altgens shows? What if the figure (apparently) holding the bottle in Altgens is simply a DIFFERENT PERSON to PrayerMan? It would certainly relieve us of the task of positing a SUDDEN and QUICK movement back up the steps of the figure in Altgens.

What seals the deal for me is that the figure we see in the Cronkite Altgens is in THE SELFSAME SPOT covered by the impossible shadow IN WIEGMAN:



No coincidence IMO!

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« Reply #1976 on: September 28, 2022, 01:48:22 AM »

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« Reply #1977 on: September 28, 2022, 03:56:06 AM »
Mr.Ford, if your new proposition is correct that the Cronkite version of Altgens no.6 photo is a person with  arm raised holding a bottle in hand who is standing at the exact location where the shadow anomaly on Lovelady occurs in the Weigman film

Then that person either must be Oswald  or that  person resembled Oswald so much that the conspirators were compelled to take the risk they did to alter both Altgens photo and Weigman film.

How BW Frazier etc on those steps  could have missed seeing Oswald standing IN FRONT of them is the problem

And if the explanation is that  people were compelled by  sone form of psychological coercion to remain silent, then that’ is extremely troublesome to consider THEY MIGHT STILL be using this form of coercion today to keep people silent about other horrendous dees done by the global deep state.

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« Reply #1978 on: September 29, 2022, 01:42:03 AM »
Once Mr Lovelady's body is out of the frame, those applying the shadow get sloppy:



Some disturbance is happening here

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« Reply #1979 on: September 30, 2022, 01:50:42 AM »
The car aerial disappears only when it's 'in front of' the Magic Lovelady Shadow. Oops!

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