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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1720 on: September 17, 2021, 09:13:19 PM »
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It very much does matter if Officer Baker's 11/22 affidavit gives us an 'employee' who was "walking away from the stairway"
Alan Ford gave us this observation-----
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If you believe that 'a man walking away from the stairway' on 'the third or fourth floor' was Mr Oswald by the second-floor lunchroom, then you'll believe anything.
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2253.msg64940.html#msg64940

That is based on Baker's affidavit...  https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/baker_m3.htm
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Friday November 22, 1963 I was riding motorcycle escort for the President of the United States. At approximately 12:30 pm I was on Houston Street ..... I followed the man to the rear of the building and he said, "Let's take the elevator." The elevator was hung several floors up so we used the stairs instead. As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me. The manager said, "I know that man, he works here." I then turned the man loose and went up to the top floor. The man I saw was a white man approximately 30 years old, 5'9", 165 pounds, dark hair and wearing a light brown jacket.
Baker was perhaps in error on his stair climbing count but who knows?
There is a M L Baker hand written statement--- something after "second floor" (sic) was crossed out. "Drinking a coke" was also crossed out [for some reason] And this was right before the release of the Report.



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1720 on: September 17, 2021, 09:13:19 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1721 on: September 17, 2021, 10:02:34 PM »
Alan Ford gave us this observation-----https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,2253.msg64940.html#msg64940

That is based on Baker's affidavit...  https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/baker_m3.htmBaker was perhaps in error on his stair climbing count but who knows?
There is a M L Baker hand written statement--- something after "second floor" (sic) was crossed out. "Drinking a coke" was also crossed out [for some reason] And this was right before the release of the Report.



There is a M L Baker hand written statement--- something after "second floor" (sic) was crossed out. "Drinking a coke" was also crossed out [for some reason] And this was right before the release of the Report.


This affidavit is nothing but a cheap lawyer's trick......They knew that it had been firmly established that Baker had encountered Lee In the lunchroom DRINKING A COKE, and in the first days following the murder of John Kennedy they used the "Drinking a coke " issue as a way of showing what a monster and inhuman fiend Lee Harrrrrrvey Ossssswald ( Booooo Hissss) was.

So since that was firmly planted in the public's mind they couldn't simply erase the event and say that it never happened.....They need to expunge it in an official affidavit.    Thus they had an FBI agent write the affidavit to look like Baker had written it,    The crossing out of the words "drinking a coke" was left legible so it looked like Baker had revised the affidavit.    There was no reason for the crossing out of words...They could easily have scrapped that piece of paper and re-written the affidavit, but that would not have have officially expunged the Drinking a coke issue.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1722 on: September 17, 2021, 10:34:19 PM »

There is a M L Baker hand written statement--- something after "second floor" (sic) was crossed out. "Drinking a coke" was also crossed out [for some reason] And this was right before the release of the Report.


This affidavit is nothing but a cheap lawyer's trick......They knew that it had been firmly established that Baker had encountered Lee In the lunchroom DRINKING A COKE, and in the first days following the murder of John Kennedy they used the "Drinking a coke " issue as a way of showing what a monster and inhuman fiend Lee Harrrrrrvey Ossssswald ( Booooo Hissss) was.

So since that was firmly planted in the public's mind they couldn't simply erase the event and say that it never happened.....They need to expunge it in an official affidavit.    Thus they had an FBI agent write the affidavit to look like Baker had written it,    The crossing out of the words "drinking a coke" was left legible so it looked like Baker had revised the affidavit.    There was no reason for the crossing out of words...They could easily have scrapped that piece of paper and re-written the affidavit, but that would not have have officially expunged the Drinking a coke issue.

The claim that Oswald's presence in the lunchroom with a coke somehow means he did not assassinate JFK because he would not have paused to have a beverage is absurd because no one, including the WC, suggested that Oswald's presence in the lunchroom was planned.  He headed there to avoid detection on the stairs.  He did it out of necessity.  Not because he was thirsty.  If he had a soda, it was merely to give him an excuse for being there.  And there is no more sign of the soda when he exits the lunchroom moments later to encounter Mrs. Reid.  If he had one, it was just a prop.  And he tossed it after Baker left in his flight from the building.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1723 on: September 17, 2021, 10:44:52 PM »
The claim that Oswald's presence in the lunchroom with a coke somehow means he did not assassinate JFK because he would not have paused to have a beverage is absurd because no one, including the WC, suggested that Oswald's presence in the lunchroom was planned.  He headed there to avoid detection on the stairs.  He did out of necessity.  No because he was thirsty.

All of which tells us that Mr Smith still can't explain the match between this-----------------



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If he had a soda, it was merely to give him an excuse for being there.  And there is no more sign of the soda when he exits the lunchroom moments later to encounter Mrs. Reid.

Mr Smith gets ANOTHER detail wrong. I'm in shock!  :D

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« Reply #1724 on: September 17, 2021, 10:48:18 PM »
All of which tells us that Mr Smith still can't explain the match between this-----------------



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Mr Smith gets ANOTHER detail wrong. I'm in shock!  :D

Please try to express this in terms of a coherent point.  You have posted a picture of a man sitting down, what is appears to be an incomplete newspaper clip, and a point about Mrs. Reid.  What detail here is wrong?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1724 on: September 17, 2021, 10:48:18 PM »


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« Reply #1725 on: September 17, 2021, 10:54:46 PM »
Please try to express this in terms of a coherent point.  You have posted a picture of a man sitting down, what is appears to be an incomplete newspaper clip,

~Grin~

You can't think of a coherent Warren Gullible explanation for the match between what that frame shows and what Mr Truly is quoted as saying, and so you try to buy time by playing dumb-----------------smart move, Mr Smith!  Thumb1:

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and a point about Mrs. Reid.  What detail here is wrong?

Oh, just your sublimely silly claim that "there is no more sign of the soda when he exits the lunchroom moments later to encounter Mrs. Reid"! :D

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« Reply #1726 on: September 17, 2021, 10:58:34 PM »
~Grin~

You can't think of a coherent Warren Gullible explanation for the match between what that frame shows and what Mr Truly is quoted as saying, and so you try to buy time by playing dumb-----------------smart move, Mr Smith!  Thumb1:

Oh, just your sublimely silly claim that "there is no more sign of the soda when he exits the lunchroom moments later to encounter Mrs. Reid"! :D

A full coke.  And he is on the bus moments later without it.  Where did it go?  Did he drink it or discarded a full coke before reaching the bus moments later.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1727 on: September 17, 2021, 11:01:45 PM »
A full coke.

Which you referred to two posts back as "no more sign of the soda"  :D