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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1096 on: January 25, 2021, 01:01:59 PM »
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Yes. Then he took the remains of his lunch out front to watch the P. Parade. I believe that the Wiegman film shows him holding his Coke in one hand and some food (either apple or sandwich) in the other-------------



And the original Altgens 6 (taken just before this) showed him holding the Coke-------



 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I can't believe you've gone public with your Black Oswald theory.
For those of you not familiar with Mr Ford's track record with 'tampering the evidence' let me explain.
He is using this really 'bleached out' version of Altgens 6 to "prove" there is a white arm holding a bottle of Coca-Cola (please don't ask how he knows it's a bottle of Coke). Note - look how white the ladies at the bottom of the picture look.

Somehow he knows this 'white arm' belongs to Oswald ( :D :D :D)



As insane as this appears to be, you ain't seen nothin' yet folks. Below is a close-up from a 'normal' version of Altgens 6. In it we can see the arm is not white at all, if anything, it belongs to a black person, hence Mr Ford's Black Oswald theory.



But there's more. Mr Ford is convinced the Wiegman film has been altered. According to his theory, the shadow we see cast down the left side of Lovelady as we look at it, has been added to disguise the fact Lovelady is wearing a long-sleeved shirt. (The shadow, by the way is obviously the edge of the wall of the front entrance, but don't tell Alan that).
Now why has this pic been altered to disguise the fact Lovelady is wearing a long-sleeved shirt?
I'll let Alan tell you - prepare to have your mind blown  8)

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1097 on: January 25, 2021, 04:01:33 PM »
Huh? Mr Oswald said he saw them before he went outside to watch the P. Parade. He did not say 'I saw them just as Altgens 6 was being taken'!

12:26.....Lee is eating his lunch in the 1st floor lunchroom, and he sees Jarman and Norman walking past the windows, and headed for the back door of the shipping room......
12:27 /12:28 Lee goes to the 2nd floor lunchroom to get a coke.....

---12: 30  Ike Altgens snaps the shutter and takes Altgen's #6.....
 
12:31  Lee is spotted in the 2nd floor lunchroom by officer Baker and Roy Truly.....

12:32  Lee returns to the 1st floor with his coke and finishes his lunch

12:33  Lee heads for the front door to watch the P. Parade.....
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1098 on: January 25, 2021, 04:40:52 PM »
Nope! Agent Hosty has Mr Oswald put himself in the lunchroom pre-motorcade, Agent Bookhout shifts the timeframe dramatically to "at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building"--------and adds the Baker/Truly encounter to Mr Oswald's story.

Agent Bookhout shifts the timeframe dramatically to "at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building"-

You're confused Mr F. .....    Bookhout thought that Baker was searching the TSBD when he saw Lee In the 2nd floor lunchroom.

Bookhout may have got that idea from Lee Oswald....  Lee may have assumed that Baker was searching the building, and in a way that is what Baker was doing.....( He said his eyes swept, searched, the various floors as they ascended the stairs, and that's how he spotted Lee Oswald.)  Lee simply assumed that Baker was searching the building and thus told Fritz that he was in the 2nd floor lunch room when the police searched the building.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1099 on: January 25, 2021, 06:15:17 PM »
There is no consistency in his statement. LHO tells Kelley he ate with the colored boys, He tells Bookhout he ate alone.

No----the lack of consistency is entirely in the reports made of what he said. Remember: Inspector Kelley and Agent Bookhout are reporting on one and the same session, which they both attended! Does either of them indicate that Mr Oswald gave two completely different answers in that session?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1100 on: January 25, 2021, 06:27:27 PM »
But there's more. Mr Ford is convinced the Wiegman film has been altered. According to his theory, the shadow we see cast down the left side of Lovelady as we look at it, has been added to disguise the fact Lovelady is wearing a long-sleeved shirt. (The shadow, by the way is obviously the edge of the wall of the front entrance, but don't tell Alan that).

Aha! It's taken you weeks and weeks and weeks to bring yourself to tell us that, Mr O'Meara. What a tremendous breakthrough!

So------------the shadow is the edge of the wall of the front entrance, is it?

Here's Mr Lovelady with the shadow down the right side of his body---------



The green line here (a model of the doorway @ Darnell) shows where the shadowline actually fell at 12:30pm 11/22/63:



Now, Mr O'Meara-----------can you kindly indicate, using the image above, where on those steps you believe Mr Lovelady is standing in the Wiegman frame above?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1100 on: January 25, 2021, 06:27:27 PM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1101 on: January 25, 2021, 06:28:18 PM »
Agent Bookhout shifts the timeframe dramatically to "at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building"-

You're confused Mr F. .....    Bookhout thought that Baker was searching the TSBD when he saw Lee In the 2nd floor lunchroom.

Bookhout may have got that idea from Lee Oswald....  Lee may have assumed that Baker was searching the building, and in a way that is what Baker was doing.....( He said his eyes swept, searched, the various floors as they ascended the stairs, and that's how he spotted Lee Oswald.)  Lee simply assumed that Baker was searching the building and thus told Fritz that he was in the 2nd floor lunch room when the police searched the building.

You're completely missing the point I was making, Mr Cakebread

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1102 on: January 25, 2021, 07:51:27 PM »
You're completely missing the point I was making, Mr Cakebread

Agent Hosty has Mr Oswald put himself in the lunchroom pre-motorcade, Agent Bookhout shifts the timeframe dramatically to "at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building"--------and adds the Baker/Truly encounter to Mr Oswald's story.

Hosty / Bookhout From page 619 of WR.   11/23/63

 "Oswald claimed that he went to lunch at approximately noon. and he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola for his lunch. Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed this building."   

We don't know what Lee actually said.....Hosty and Bookhout may have misunderstood  or maybe Lee wasn't clear...

Lee could easily have started his lunch break at " approximately noon" ...But that doesn't mean that he started eating at that time....( As a matter of fact he couldn't have started eating at "approximately noon" in the Domino room because the lunchroom was filled with TSBD employees at that time, and nobody reported seeing Lee there in the lunchroom at that time.
By 12:15 all of the employees who had been eating their lunch in that lunchroom had departed ( see the various affidavits)

Furthermore...Lee was eating his lunch ALONE in that 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:26 when Jarman and Norman passed by.

And he went to the 2nd floor to get a coke to drink with his lunch....He was seen by Baker and Truly while he was in that 2nd floor lunchroom .  Then he returned to the 1st floor Domino room to finish his lunch.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1103 on: January 25, 2021, 09:12:15 PM »
Agent Hosty has Mr Oswald put himself in the lunchroom pre-motorcade, Agent Bookhout shifts the timeframe dramatically to "at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building"--------and adds the Baker/Truly encounter to Mr Oswald's story.

Hosty / Bookhout From page 619 of WR.   11/23/63

 "Oswald claimed that he went to lunch at approximately noon. and he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola for his lunch. Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed this building."   

We don't know what Lee actually said.....Hosty and Bookhout may have misunderstood  or maybe Lee wasn't clear...

Lee could easily have started his lunch break at " approximately noon" ...But that doesn't mean that he started eating at that time....( As a matter of fact he couldn't have started eating at "approximately noon" in the Domino room because the lunchroom was filled with TSBD employees at that time, and nobody reported seeing Lee there in the lunchroom at that time.
By 12:15 all of the employees who had been eating there lunch in that lunchroom had departed ( see the various affidavits)

Furthermore...Lee was eating his lunch ALONE in that 1st floor lunchroom at about 12:26 when Jarman and Norman passed by.

And he went to the 2nd floor to get a coke to drink with his lunch....He was seen by Baker and Truly while he was in that 2nd floor lunchroom .  Then he returned to the 1st floor Domino room to finish his lunch.

All you have done here, Mr Cakebread, is find another way to miss the point I was making