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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1088 on: January 24, 2021, 10:44:24 PM »
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And it would appear that this is exactly what Mr Oswald DID mean. Inspector Kelley's report on the same Sunday morning interrogation has Mr Oswald tell of a young crew-cut man rushing up to him "when he was standing in front of the Textbook building and about to leave it".

How can one be in front of a building without yet having left it? Easy-----------one is in the front entranceway!  Thumb1:

This of course explains why Mr Oswald, when asked by a reporter "Were you in the building at the time?", just answered yes instead of getting into semantics: he had not left the building at the time but was in its front entrance.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1088 on: January 24, 2021, 10:44:24 PM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1089 on: January 24, 2021, 11:06:36 PM »
Excellent rebuttal , Mr Ford....

I asked you a couple of days back if Bookhout had scribbled in his notes that Lee had told them that he was eating his lunch ALONE in the first floor lunchroom, and you replied that you hadn't posted the notes....

Now you post the typed report of Bookhout.....

Agent Bookhout, 11/23 interrogation report:
"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone,

ALONE   Lee told them that he was ALONE in that lunchroom.....

Yes. Then he took the remains of his lunch out front to watch the P. Parade. I believe that the Wiegman film shows him holding his Coke in one hand and some food (either apple or sandwich) in the other-------------



And the original Altgens 6 (taken just before this) showed him holding the Coke-------


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1090 on: January 25, 2021, 12:44:28 AM »

Agent Bookhout, 11/23 interrogation report:
"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone,

ALONE   Lee told them that he was ALONE in that lunchroom.....

Yes. Then he took the remains of his lunch out front to watch the P. Parade. I believe that the Wiegman film shows him holding his Coke in one hand and some food (either apple or sandwich) in the other-------------





And the original Altgens 6 (taken just before this) showed him holding the Coke-------



Then he took the remains of his lunch out front to watch the P. Parade. I believe that the Wiegman film shows him holding his Coke in one hand and some food (either apple or sandwich) in the other-------------

No Alan....That's not correct....Lee said that he was ALONE in the lunchroom when he saw Jarman and Norman pass by....They were on the fifth floor at 12:28, so they couldn't have been passing by the Domino room at 12:30, When Altgen's 6 was taken.    Lee couldn't have seen them AFTER  12:27.


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1090 on: January 25, 2021, 12:44:28 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1091 on: January 25, 2021, 03:02:59 AM »
Do you believe, based on a comparison of Agent Hosty's and Agent Bookhout's respective solo reports, that Mr Oswald gave two completely different stories within one and the same interrogation (i.e. the first one @ 3:15pm 11/22)?

None of this 'I believe the authorities' spiel addresses a single point I made. You are just ignoring anything that doesn't fit your chosen story.

I would hope in the same interegation it would be the same. They both wrote down the same words.

On one hand you want to believe LHO but very definitive to what statements, but also claim the detectives had an alterior motive by them keep asking the same questions but getting different answers. That is how the integations work. Same as the WC testimonies, the attorneys would always circle back to conflicting statements. Arnold Rowlands statement is an excellent example of that technique. So is LHO's integations about where he was during the assassination. Turns out he was upstairs and came down to the encounter with Baker and Trully.

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« Reply #1092 on: January 25, 2021, 05:05:59 AM »
I would hope in the same interegation it would be the same. They both wrote down the same words.

On one hand you want to believe LHO but very definitive to what statements, but also claim the detectives had an alterior motive by them keep asking the same questions but getting different answers. That is how the integations work. Same as the WC testimonies, the attorneys would always circle back to conflicting statements. Arnold Rowlands statement is an excellent example of that technique. So is LHO's integations about where he was during the assassination. Turns out he was upstairs and came down to the encounter with Baker and Trully.

Turns out he was upstairs and came down to the encounter with Baker and Trully.

Nobody saw Lee dashing across he sixth floor or down the stairs....And there were many people who would have heard him or saw him if he had traveled from the SE corner of the 6th floor to the second floor lunchroom, including Vicky Adams and her friend Sandra Styles, who were on the stairs at the time that Lee would have had to have used those stairs.

Do you also enjoy other fairytales Mr Nessan?

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« Reply #1092 on: January 25, 2021, 05:05:59 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1093 on: January 25, 2021, 09:18:50 AM »
Then he took the remains of his lunch out front to watch the P. Parade. I believe that the Wiegman film shows him holding his Coke in one hand and some food (either apple or sandwich) in the other-------------

No Alan....That's not correct....Lee said that he was ALONE in the lunchroom when he saw Jarman and Norman pass by....They were on the fifth floor at 12:28, so they couldn't have been passing by the Domino room at 12:30, When Altgen's 6 was taken.    Lee couldn't have seen them AFTER  12:27.

Huh? Mr Oswald said he saw them before he went outside to watch the P. Parade. He did not say 'I saw them just as Altgens 6 was being taken'!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1094 on: January 25, 2021, 09:26:09 AM »
I would hope in the same interegation it would be the same. They both wrote down the same words.

Nope! Agent Hosty has Mr Oswald put himself in the lunchroom pre-motorcade, Agent Bookhout shifts the timeframe dramatically to "at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building"--------and adds the Baker/Truly encounter to Mr Oswald's story.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1094 on: January 25, 2021, 09:26:09 AM »


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1095 on: January 25, 2021, 10:28:53 AM »
Nope! Agent Hosty has Mr Oswald put himself in the lunchroom pre-motorcade, Agent Bookhout shifts the timeframe dramatically to "at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building"--------and adds the Baker/Truly encounter to Mr Oswald's story.

There is no consistency in his statement. LHO tells Kelley he ate with the colored boys, He tells Bookhout he ate alone. He tells Hosty he went outside to watch the parade after eating lunch and getting a coke from the 2nd floor. He tells Holmes he went out to see what the commotion was about after the assassination. LHO tells Bookout he ate lunch after the assassination and after the lunchroom encounter. LHO places the lunch room encounter before the assassination in the Bookhout interrogation and does not mention it to Kelley. LHO tells Holmes he was still working at the time of the assassination. LHO never told the same story twice. Through it all LHO never once mentions hearing shots.


Agent Bookhout, 11/23 interrogation report:
"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called 'Junior' and the other was a short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize. He stated that his lunch consisted of a cheese sandwich and an apple..."

Agent Bookhout:

OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola from the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman BILL SHELLEY and thereafter went home. He stated that he left work because, in his opinion, based upon remarks of BILL SHELLEY, he did not believe that there was going to be any more work that day due to the confusion in the building.
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OSWALD stated that his hours of work at the Texas School Book Depository are from 8 a.m. to 4:45 p.m., but that he is not required to punch a time clock. His usual place of work in the building is on the first floor; however he frequently is required to go to the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh floors of the building in order to get books and this was true on November 22, 1963, and he had been on all of the floors in the performance of his duties on November 22, 1963.

Inspector Kelley, 11/23 interrogation report:
"He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as 'Junior', a colored boy, and the other was a little short negro boy. He said his lunch consisted of cheese, bread, fruit, and apples..."

Agent Hosty
O stated he was present for work at the TSBD on the morning of 11/22 and at noon went to lunch. He went to the 2nd floor to get coca cola to eat with lunch and returned to the 1st floor to eat lunch. Then went outside to watch P parade