Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Walt Cakebread]

According to Holmes Oswald said:

"I went down, and as I started to go out and see what it was all about, a police officer stopped me just before I got to the front door..."

That would indicate that Lee and Baker met INSIDE the TSBD....However, I  believe Lee and Baker met only in the second floor lunchroom..... Holmes didn't know what he was talking about.... He'd heard about Baker encountering Lee In the TSBD and mis construed the information.

[Walt Cakebread]

The were other people inside the foyer and not one witness to a policeman sticking a gun into LHO's stomach. Not one. Lovelady makes no reference to an encounter despite observing the office enter the building. The encounter took place on the second floor lunchroom just as stated and where there was only LHO, Baker and Truly. LHO admits to the encounter. Not one person saw LHO on the first floor or LHO exit the building despite all the employees gathered near the entrance.

Not one person saw LHO on the first floor or LHO exit the building despite all the employees gathered near the entrance.

It's true that nobody reported seeing Lee on the first floor at the pertinent time....BUT...  Lee DID report seeing a couple of fellow employees on the first floor at the pertinent time.....  He could not have known that Jarman and Norman walked by the Domino room if he hadn't been there to witness them enter the shipping room at the back door .

[Jack Nessan]

LHO stated every possible scenario from eating with the colored boys to eating alone to not eating at all. He always claimed to have exited from the front of the building. He admits to the lunchroom encounter with Trully and Baker. Ultimately LHO also states to Inspector Holmes he was finishing up his work when the commotion started which brought him down from the upper portion of the building and the encounter with Trully and Baker.

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Appendix XI - Reports Relating to the Interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald at the Dallas Police Department

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/app11.htm

Report of Capt. J. W. Fritz, Dallas Police Department
Interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald
When asked what he did with his clothing, he took off when he got home, he said he put them in the dirty clothes. in talking with him further about his location at the time the President was killed, he said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him. One of them was called "Junior" and the other one was a little short man whose name he did not know.
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Reports of Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
Federal Bureau of Investigation - Report #1

Oswald stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola for his lunch. Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed this building.

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Federal Bureau of Investigation - Report #3

Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola form the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room.

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Federal Bureau of Investigation - Report #4

Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize

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Reports of Inspector Thomas J. Kelley, U.S. Secret Service
First Interview of lee Harvey Oswald

He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as "Junior," a colored boy, and the other was little short negro boy.


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U.S. Secret Service- Preliminary Special Dallas Report #3
November 29, 1963

He said when he was standing in front of the Textbook Building and about to leave it, a young crew-cut man rushed up to him and said he was from the Secret Service, showed a book of identification, and asked him where the phone was. Oswald said he pointed toward the pay phone in the building and that he saw the man actually go to the phone before he left.

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Report of U.S. Postal Inspector H.D. Holmes

"When asked as to his whereabouts at the time of the shooting, he stated that when lunch time came, and he didn't say which floor he was on, he said one of the Negro employees invited him to eat lunch with him and he stated "You go on down and send the elevator back up and I will join you in a few minutes." Before he could finish whatever he was doing, he stated, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and when he went down stairs, a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that "he is one of our employees" whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily. Following this, he simply walked out the front door of the building.
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[Alan Ford]

The were other people inside the foyer

How do you know there were several people "standing around" (Officer Baker affidavit) inside the foyer ~30 seconds after the shooting? Who could they have been?

and not one witness to a policeman sticking a gun into LHO's stomach.

How many witnesses on those steps do we have to an officer storming in ~30 seconds after the shooting?

Not one. Lovelady makes no reference to an encounter despite observing the office enter the building.

He lied in his on-the-record statements. Just as Mr Shelley lied in his post-affidavit statements about his movements immediately after the assassination.

And what Mr Lovelady told Mr Jarman chimes with what DPD were telling the press 11/22.

[Alan Ford]

LHO stated every possible scenario from eating with the colored boys to eating alone to not eating at all. He always claimed to have exited from the front of the building. He admits to the lunchroom encounter with Trully and Baker. Ultimately LHO also states to Inspector Holmes he was finishing up his work when the commotion started which brought him down from the upper portion of the building and the encounter with Trully and Baker.

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Appendix XI - Reports Relating to the Interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald at the Dallas Police Department

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/app11.htm

Report of Capt. J. W. Fritz, Dallas Police Department
Interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald
When asked what he did with his clothing, he took off when he got home, he said he put them in the dirty clothes. in talking with him further about his location at the time the President was killed, he said he ate lunch with some of the colored boys who worked with him. One of them was called "Junior" and the other one was a little short man whose name he did not know.
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Reports of Agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation
Federal Bureau of Investigation - Report #1

Oswald stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola for his lunch. Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed this building.

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Federal Bureau of Investigation - Report #3

Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola form the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room.

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Federal Bureau of Investigation - Report #4

Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, he had eaten lunch in the lunch room at the Texas School Book Depository, alone, but recalled possibly two Negro employees walking through the room during this period. He stated possibly one of these employees was called "Junior" and the other was short individual whose name he could not recall but whom he would be able to recognize

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Reports of Inspector Thomas J. Kelley, U.S. Secret Service
First Interview of lee Harvey Oswald

He said he ate his lunch with the colored boys who worked with him. He described one of them as "Junior," a colored boy, and the other was little short negro boy.


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U.S. Secret Service- Preliminary Special Dallas Report #3
November 29, 1963

He said when he was standing in front of the Textbook Building and about to leave it, a young crew-cut man rushed up to him and said he was from the Secret Service, showed a book of identification, and asked him where the phone was. Oswald said he pointed toward the pay phone in the building and that he saw the man actually go to the phone before he left.

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Report of U.S. Postal Inspector H.D. Holmes

"When asked as to his whereabouts at the time of the shooting, he stated that when lunch time came, and he didn't say which floor he was on, he said one of the Negro employees invited him to eat lunch with him and he stated "You go on down and send the elevator back up and I will join you in a few minutes." Before he could finish whatever he was doing, he stated, the commotion surrounding the assassination took place and when he went down stairs, a policeman questioned him as to his identification and his boss stated that "he is one of our employees" whereupon the policeman had him step aside momentarily. Following this, he simply walked out the front door of the building.
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Quite extraordinary that you leave this out-------------

[Alan Ford]

Well, there’s that Lovelady in the Couch film GIF somewhere if someone would like to post that so that Mr.Ford can decide if that bald spot man with shirt pattern is Lovelady or not.

I don't believe that the man we see passing out Mr Danny Arce in Couch is Mr Lovelady.

I believe Darnell shows Mr Lovelady still on the steps--------



As for Mr Lovelady's supposed companion in his westward travels, Mr Shelley, well he told one story in his affidavit and a completely different one thereafter.

[Rick Plant]

Junior Jarman and Harold Norman walked through that second floor lunch room and remembered that there was “someone else in there”.
Psst Mr Plant....Put the cork back in the bottle and go get some sleep....  When you're awake and sober I'm sure that you'll find that Jarman and Norman walked past the windows of the 1st floor lunchroom....That's the FIRST FLOOR lunchroom....They were never close to the second floor lunchroom.  You really need to stay the hell out of things that you know nothing about.

 

Says Walt who thought Fritz took notes during the interrogation. 

[Alan Ford]

Says Walt who thought Fritz took notes during the interrogation.

Captain Fritz's 'notes' were not taken during the interrogation----------they were scribbled while listening to playback of dictated reports made by Agent Bookhout.

Compare:

Fritz 'notes':

claims 2nd Floor Coke when
off came in
to 1st fl had lunch
out with Bill Shelley in
front
left wk opinion nothing be
done that day etc.
? punch clock
8-8/45 were not
rigid abt time
wked reg. 1st Fl.
but all over

Agent Bookhout:

OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola from the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman BILL SHELLEY and thereafter went home. He stated that he left work because, in his opinion, based upon remarks of BILL SHELLEY, he did not believe that there was going to be any more work that day due to the confusion in the building.
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OSWALD stated that his hours of work at the Texas School Book Depository are from 8 a.m. to 4:45 p.m., but that he is not required to punch a time clock. His usual place of work in the building is on the first floor; however he frequently is required to go to the fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh floors of the building in order to get books and this was true on November 22, 1963, and he had been on all of the floors in the performance of his duties on November 22, 1963.