Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #595 on: October 24, 2020, 06:47:11 PM »
Still crying about being schooled John. You're the only one getting any lessons round here.  8)
Uh, another sign of you responding to dissenting voices.
Your desire to show dominance is quite telling.
Sad. :(

Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #596 on: October 24, 2020, 07:10:46 PM »
Suck it up and move on, you're wasting everybody's time.
You're the one who chose to respond.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #597 on: October 24, 2020, 07:46:12 PM »
Uh, another sign of you responding to dissenting voices.
Your desire to show dominance is quite telling.
Sad. :(

The post you've selected to demonstrate how unreasonable I am was not taken from a 'dissenting voice', it was a response to a condescending voice telling me about lessons I needed.
My reply to your lies about me has been completely ignored, instead you've decided to look back in the thread and take a post completely out of context to score a point.
I couldn't agree more, you are wasting everyone's time.
Why not put your ideas out there and argue them through in a reasoned way and have the flexibility to change your point of view if, and only if, you feel a good enough argument has been made.
I'm willing to do exactly that and always will be.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #598 on: October 24, 2020, 10:12:40 PM »
Just a thought concerning Baker's comment about seeing someone on the third or fourth floor:

" As we reached the third or fourth floor I saw a man walking away from the stairway. I called to the man and he turned around and came back toward me."  (Affidavit on day of the assassination)

If Dorothy Garner's statement to Barry Ernest has any credence the fourth floor can be ruled out as she would have been in the area it was supposed to have happened.
This leaves the third floor:



The stairs Baker and Truly were ascending are in the top left-hand corner. They would have come up the stairs to the left (north to south) turned left and left again in a tight enclosed area and then come to the bottom of the stairs going up (east to west). It would be at this point Baker would have seen the man walking away from him.
This is just a personal opinion but the space between where Baker would be standing and the elevators seems too small for the encounter with Oswald to have happened in. When Baker says he called out to the man who turned around and walked back towards him I get the impression there was quite a bit of distance between them. If it happened on the third floor the man walking away from the stairs can only have been a few feet away from Baker, maybe five to ten feet.
I'm not saying it can't have happened that way, it just doesn't 'feel' right to me. Why would the man have to walk back towards him if they were so close?
Just a thought.

Offline Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #599 on: October 24, 2020, 10:54:45 PM »
Even more odd how the man got past Truly unseen.

Considering Truly would've had to virtually push him out of the way to get up the stairs. It just seems very unlikely the encounter with Oswald happened on the third or fourth floors.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #600 on: October 24, 2020, 11:14:23 PM »
Oswald?

Excuse me,
Baker's encounter with the man he later identified as Oswald.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #601 on: October 24, 2020, 11:47:33 PM »
Much later.

True, but a lot of the ingredients of the second floor lunchroom encounter are present in Baker's affidavit on the day of the assassination:
Baker (not Truly) sees a man walking away from the stairs
He calls out to the man who turns around and walks back towards him
Truly vouches for the man
Baker let's the man loose and hits the stairs

I suppose the point I'm making is that Baker could've made a mistake about which floor it happened on and when looking closer at the third and fourth floors as options it seems this might be the case. If, however, Baker did mean the second floor it is notable he makes no mention of seeing his man through a door. The impression I get from Baker's affidavit is that the encounter happens in an open space.
One thing has always bothered me about the idea the encounter with Baker, Truly and Oswald in the second floor lunchroom is a hoax, with Baker and Truly culpable in it - why not have it on the fifth or sixth floor? Why leave so much room for doubt?