Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

[Zeon Mason]

The simplest scenario is just Oswald bringing out the paper bag containing a provocative flag he intended to wave, at about 12:27, and then moving eastward off the steps to discard the flag and bag about 12:31,  after which Oswald continued walking eastward to the intersection of Houston and Elm where he stopped to observe the commotion of the officers grouped together. And where he was observed at about 12:33 by Buell W. Frazier. And which resulted in Oswald possibly being in the M film.

Shelley may have seen the flag and thought it imperative to get rid of such provocative item, that such item might draw criticism of the TSBD manager Roy Truly for having allowed such insult to the POTUS to be displayed at the front steps as the JFK limo passed by.

However , this would mean that Shelley and Truly were willing to let Oswald be railroaded knowing that he could not possibly be the 6th floor assassin.

The only rational that could be remotely constructed here for Shelley and Truly is that IF the flag was a Communist red flag , that they might consider that Oswald was deserving of being arrested and that Oswald was involved someway, and that since it was such an insult for a USMC veteran to have displayed such flag, that Oswald deserved whatever judgement would be decreed by the US government.

[Alan Ford]

Not too many red-headed men in Dealey Plaza. And not too many folks walking with purpose away from the scene. I think the probability that this is Mr. Shelley is strong.

If it's him, then we can start with his same-day affidavit:



All true, except he's left out a little southwards excursion he took beyond the hot zone in order to dispose of whatever it is we see him carrying in Hughes.

Like Messrs. Oswald and Lovelady (and, one presumes, Truly), Mr. Shelley has cooperated in facilitating what he has understood to be a White House-approved staged incident (presented to him perhaps as an exercise to test SS response?). In the doorway for the motorcade, he hears the shots and is not perturbed. But when Ms. Gloria Calvery tells him out by the "corner of the park" that Pres. Kennedy was actually hit, he is stunned. With quick thinking (and perhaps after a quick exchange here with Mr. Oswald), he gets walking....... Having dumped whatever it is needs dumping, he returns to the building.

Possibly relevant:

We see two flashes in that part of the doorway.

Hughes--------------



Towner--------------

[Alan Ford]

The simplest scenario is just Oswald bringing out the paper bag containing a provocative flag he intended to wave, at about 12:27, and then moving eastward off the steps to discard the flag and bag about 12:31

OK, but there appear to be TWO flags being waved, and by two different people

[Zeon Mason]

Well what do you think Mr.Ford?

Is that Lovelady in the foreground ( at ground level ) waving a flag (or something) up in the air , while Oswald is still on the steps where he was in Hughes film ( drinking the coke), and for some reason no longer in the sunlight , perhaps while he was ATTEMPTING to unfurl his flag?

[Rick Plant]

Not too many red-headed men in Dealey Plaza. And not too many folks walking with purpose away from the scene. I think the probability that this is Mr. Shelley is strong.

If it's him, then we can start with his same-day affidavit:



All true, except he's left out a little southwards excursion he took beyond the hot zone in order to dispose of whatever it is we see him carrying in Hughes.

Like Messrs. Oswald and Lovelady (and, one presumes, Truly), Mr. Shelley has cooperated in facilitating what he has understood to be a White House-approved staged incident (presented to him perhaps as an exercise to test SS response?). In the doorway for the motorcade, he hears the shots and is not perturbed. But when Ms. Gloria Calvery tells him out by the "corner of the park" that Pres. Kennedy was actually hit, he is stunned. With quick thinking (and perhaps after a quick exchange here with Mr. Oswald), he gets walking....... Having dumped whatever it is needs dumping, he returns to the building.

Mr. Lovelady, meanwhile, has had his horrible 'Calvery revelation' seconds after Mr. Shelley---------and at the front entrance.

The story Messrs. Shelley and Lovelady will tell about going west to the railroad yards will be a little fiction designed to cover the interval during which Mr. Shelley (and, perhaps, Mr. Lovelady elsewhere) was away from the scene.

Mr. Oswald, in custody, will mention Mr. Shelley's presence out front, but will say nothing to blow his or his own cover as participants in a non-lethal false-flag operation.

I believe Messrs Lovelady, Shelley, Truly and Oswald went into 11/22 entirely free of nefarious intent towards the person of, or foreknowledge of the attack on, Pres. Kennedy. It was Mr. Oswald's deep misfortune to be the one served up afterwards as the scapegoat-----for everything.

I agree Mr. Ford. The head shape appears to be the same and so do the large ears. Would you agree with that? So yes, it's a strong possibility that it is Shelley.   

[Alan Ford]

Well what do you think Mr.Ford?

Is that Lovelady in the foreground ( at ground level ) waving a flag (or something) up in the air

Once again, Mr. Mason, the Bell film rules this out-----------it shows Mr. Lovelady several steps up

[Alan Ford]

I agree Mr. Ford. The head shape appears to be the same and so do the large ears. Would you agree with that? So yes, it's a strong possibility that it is Shelley.

Yes, Mr. Plant, and if it is him his action in walking purposively AWAY from the scene with something in his arms tells us that something has gone wrong and he is engaging in some sort of damage limitation.

And consider this:

From Judge HYER's window, Mrs. [Lillian] MOONEYHAM noted a number of bystander running toward the cement pavilion which borders Elm Street between the railroad viaduct and the Texas School Book Depository (TSBD). Mrs. MOONEYHAM estimated that it was about 4 to 5 minutes following the shots fired by the assassin that she looked up towards the sixth floor of the TSBD and observed the figure of a man standing in a sixth floor window behind some cardboard boxes. This man appeared to Mrs. MOONEYHAM to be looking out of the window, however, the man was not close up to the window but was standing slightly back from it, so that Mrs. MOONEYHAM could not make out his features. She stated that she could give no description of this individual except to say that she is sure it was a man she observed, because the figure had on trousers. She could not recall the color of the trousers.

If Mr. Shelley, having learned that Pres. Kennedy was actually hit, has to act quickly to dispose of what he has previously understood to be 'necessary' evidence (i.e. necessary to tie the provocation to a pro-Castro group), then it is reasonable to posit that someone else in the TSBD group who has facilitated what they thought was going to be a staged non-lethal incident goes up to the SN window shortly after the assassination to perform a similar clean-up operation there.

The man seen at the sixth-floor window 4-5 minutes after the assassination by Mrs. Mooneyham may have been Mr. Truly. Or he may have been Mr. Lovelady. Or he may have been Mr. Dougherty. Or he may have been Mr. Oswald. ("I'll keep this cop away from the sixth floor," Mr. Truly mutters to Mr. Oswald by the first-floor storage room, "Get up there and get rid of the damn XYZ.")

[Alan Ford]

The man seen at the sixth-floor window 4-5 minutes after the assassination by Mrs. Mooneyham may have been Mr. Truly. Or he may have been Mr. Lovelady. Or he may have been Mr. Dougherty. Or he may have been Mr. Oswald. ("I'll keep this cop away from the sixth floor," Mr. Truly mutters to Mr. Oswald by the first-floor storage room, "Get up there and get rid of the damn XYZ.")

This last scenario would actually yield a credible second-floor lunchroom encounter:

----AFTER the encounter at the first-floor small storage room near the front entrance, Mr. Oswald watches Mr. Truly and Officer Baker take off for the shipping floor
----He takes the front stairs up to two and goes through the (empty) office area. His plan is to make his way to the rear stairs in order to go up to six, for he assumes the other two will be already on their way upstairs ahead of him on one of the freight elevators by the time he reaches the rear stairs
----The unexpected use of the stairs by Mr. Truly and Officer Baker leads to Mr. Oswald's being spotted by Officer Baker behind the window of the door leading off the landing
----They have a brief second exchange
----Mr. Oswald ends up taking a freight elevator (the one brought down by Mr. Dougherty?) up to six

Officer Baker doesn't bother mentioning either LHO encounter in his affidavit because he knows this man cannot possibly have been upstairs at the time of the shots.

In the course of the 'investigation', the FIRST LHO-Truly-Baker encounter near the front door is deleted but the SECOND one up at the lunchroom is kept. This allows the ludicrous idea that Mr. Oswald had been on six at the time of the P. Parade to be pushed. It also allows Mr. Truly to explain away the man caught walking away from the stairway several floors up (as per Officer Baker's affidavit).

The attraction of this scenario is that it establishes for the first time a logical reason for Mr. Oswald to have gone UP to the second floor after the shooting: he was en route to the sixth floor in order to dispose of now undesirable evidence-----------some 'signature' left by the pro-Castro group ostensibly behind the shots-fired incident. (The idea of his going up to two in order to buy a second Coca-Cola never did wash.*)

*However, he may indeed have purchased a second Coca-Cola in order to cover himself----------in case the officer later talks about meeting him up there. He may even make a point of taking this Coke down to one to be seen by others with it. And---------yes----------he may even go back down to one via the office area, and be seen by Mrs. Reid. Down he goes, back to the first floor, by the front stairs, and makes his way to the rear stairs. Thanks to Mr. Dougherty, a freight elevator is now there for him to take up to six.