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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2312 on: March 18, 2023, 05:01:21 PM »
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Mr. Oswald had brought the flag outside wrapped in a long bag made out of TSBD wrapping paper. Having taken up his position in the doorway, he furtively took the flag out of the bag in time to have it ready to wave at Pres. Kennedy. After making this political gesture, he rolled the flag up again around its makeshift curtain-rod flagstaff and put it back in the bag. Then he left the steps and disposed of the bag as described above.

Friends, it's embarrassing to have to admit this, but my statement above is wrong because I was overlooking something.

Here's what I was overlooking:



Mr. Oswald didn't bother returning the flag to its long paper sack-------------he just threw the damn thing on the sidewalk!

Look closely at the right hand of the woman holding the long paper sack-------------she's pointing down at the flag:




This is what caught Officer Baker's attention.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2312 on: March 18, 2023, 05:01:21 PM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2313 on: March 18, 2023, 09:40:04 PM »
This is what caught Officer Baker's attention.

Apropos!







"So you're the officer who found this, are you?"



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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2314 on: March 19, 2023, 03:06:48 AM »
At this point in time, I’m only on board with the No. 1 speculative theory of Red shirt man in Hues film gif =Oswald ( with exception  the black male in front lower west steps is more likely Carl Jones than Roy Lewis)

I have a lot of doubt about the veracity of Loveladys “ accounts” of his movements and especially going to the lunchroom , getting a coke, then he checks the Domino room , finds no one there, then he notices  Sarah Stanton and Bill Shelly outside on the front entrance of TSBD and so Lovelady decides to go join them.

Since there does not appear to be any of the office women who saw Lovelady come to the 2nd floor lunchroom to get a coke, then the time must either be just before the women start entering (12:00 approx ) or when all have left ( by12:15 approx)

If the latter time is correct then it interferes with the scenario of Oswald seen by Carolyn Arnold at 12:15 as well as with Oswald in Domino room 12:16-12:25 approx ( able to have  seen Norman/Jarman returning via back loading dock door).

Whom is the more credible witness, Lovelady or Carolyn Arnold?

Certainly the WC favored Lovelady as a means to discount Carolyn Arnold , to discount Adams  and Styles on the stairs at 30 secs post shots,  in turn discounting Mrs Garner by staircase as early as 40 sec post shots,  and finally as a possible counter to FBI agent Hosty, should he ever disclose his account of an interview with Oswald ie: Got a coke from 2nd floor lunchroom, went down to eat lunch in Domino room, then went out to watch P. Parade,

 Will Fritz became a very useful servant to LBJ once he got the phone call that “Oswald is our man” and Fritz set about the task of making an interview without using any device to record the interview , nor using an attorney nor even a court stenographer.

So it’s very plausible that Oswald did in fact state quite a lot more than we will ever know, to Will Fritz , some details that clearly proved Oswald had an alibi.

Imo, the only reason that Fritz even bothered to include a few scribbles referencing 2 negroes and a name”junior” was to attempt to make Oswald a liar.

Fact is however, a scenario at the time of 12:01-12:10, when Norman and Jarman are in the Domino and do not see Oswald,  does NOT refute the possibility that  Oswald saw THEM at a latter time of 12:23-24 returning via the back door of TSBD when Oswald was by himself in the Domino room.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2314 on: March 19, 2023, 03:06:48 AM »


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2315 on: March 19, 2023, 08:21:53 AM »
At this point in time, I’m only on board with the No. 1 speculative theory of Red shirt man in Hues film gif =Oswald

Oh but it's not speculative, Mr. Mason------------Hughes/Bell/Towner leave no room for the speculation that that man could be Mr. Billy Lovelady. I have proved that both men were standing in the west half of the front doorway at the time of the shooting. Mr. Oswald is therefore no more a candidate for SN shooter than is Mr. Lovelady------------or any other person standing in that doorway.

The observation that the shadow down Mr. Lovelady in Wiegman is not naturalistically possible is an observation of fact, not a speculation.

The observation that something sizeable is being waved right by the LHO spot in Towner is an observation of fact, not a speculation.

The observation that Officer Baker is NOT running for the doorway in Darnell is an observation of fact, not a speculation.

The observation that the object held in the woman's hand in Darnell matches the appearance of CE142 is an observation of fact, not a speculation.

The observation that right in front of her is a sizeable object lying on the ground is an observation of fact, not a speculation.

If you disagree with any of the above, I'd be interested to hear your counter-analysis of the images.

What all these observed facts do is transform our understanding of what happened that day.

Mr. Oswald was up to mischief. It involved some untoward stunt he was pulling on the front steps, connected surely with what was being done from the sixth floor---------------or at least what he thought was being done from up there. Whatever was on that flag (Cuban colors? 'Hands off Cuba'?), it 'explained' to DPD what had just happened, and it made Mr. Oswald a suspect in the assassination--------------but not a suspected sixth-floor shooter.

When Mr. Oswald was brought in, DPD thought they had him for the Tippit murder and as an accomplice in the Dealey Plaza assassination. But then orders come down from on high: pin everything on Oswald and Oswald alone. The political motivation announced by whatever was on Mr. Oswald's flag was too dangerous------------the world must be given to understand that there was no conspiracy, just a crazy guy acting entirely alone.

This meant that the 'investigating' authorities had to bury the true events in and by that front doorway----------Mr. Oswald, flag, long paper sack, Officer Baker, everything.

Thankfully, the visual record has left us enough evidence to put the pieces back together.

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Just as the observation that the ( with exception  the black male in front lower west steps is more likely Carl Jones than Roy Lewis)

This binary choice is out of date: 'Roy Lewis' seems to be out on the south grass in Bronson. And there is a tall man in white standing over by the east column of the doorway.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2316 on: March 19, 2023, 01:31:31 PM »
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2317 on: March 19, 2023, 09:21:00 PM »
Is this officer wearing gloves?



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Online Dan O'meara

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2318 on: March 19, 2023, 10:17:04 PM »


I may have just blown this case wide open.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #2319 on: March 20, 2023, 12:02:57 AM »
Klingons use bat’leths. Rookie error.