Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )


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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1992 on: October 04, 2022, 09:45:25 PM »
If PM is a woman  5’2” and took off her glasses and she took longer than 15 minutes to drink a small mug of coffee (or small styrofoam cup)

Not 'and' but 'OR'! (I don't buy the cup/mug solution btw)

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which she brought with her approx 12:15 when she was with Sarah Stanton, and she is NOT the small short woman at the east side of steps seen in the same frames at the same time that PM is in the west corner…

This identification of Ms Sanders in Darnell is a complete nonsense:



Watch how 'she' flickers magically into being for just one frame!



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Then itgere a possibility PM could be Pauline Sanders who just forgot she she moved from where she stated she was which was the east side of the landing.

She never AFAIK stated that she was on the east side of the entranceway at the actual time of the shooting. She just puts herself there ~12:20pm. And no one AFAIK states that she was right beside them on the east side of the entranceway at the actual time of the shooting.

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And of course she was wearing a dark  dress that day also…

With her hair in a different style than the photo of her..

Neither of these things is particularly problematical--------------and they're certainly a lot less problematical than believing Mr Oswald was in women's clothing!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1993 on: October 09, 2022, 05:08:28 PM »
Of the  reasons suggested so far to negate that  PM is Oswald, the strongest one imo is the unresolved shadow anomaly on Lovelady in Weigman film frame coincident with ( if certified) the person with forearm raised holding bottle ( in the Cronkite version Altgens 6 photo) located exactly at that darken out area of Lovelady.

To explain this new speculative location for Oswald as the reason for the shadow anomaly of Lovelady is going to appear so incredulous that I’m almost afraid to attempt it. 😵‍💫


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1994 on: October 22, 2022, 05:44:20 PM »
Of the  reasons suggested so far to negate that  PM is Oswald, the strongest one imo is the unresolved shadow anomaly on Lovelady in Weigman film frame coincident with ( if certified) the person with forearm raised holding bottle ( in the Cronkite version Altgens 6 photo) located exactly at that darken out area of Lovelady.

To explain this new speculative location for Oswald as the reason for the shadow anomaly of Lovelady is going to appear so incredulous that I’m almost afraid to attempt it. 😵‍💫

Well, Mr Mason, let's start with what is demonstrably non-credible:

A man facing forward into full sunlight having a shadow running down one side of his body



From this we have to ask:

Would the reason for this monkeying with the image have been
a) trivial?
b) serious?

Assuming b), we next have to ask:

What serious reason would the 'investigators' possibly have had to hide something in that area?

Proof of the presence of the accused sixth-floor shooter seems to meet that criterion, no?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1995 on: October 24, 2022, 03:49:21 AM »
Since there is the LN criticism of the “out front” location for Oswald based on Oswald’s statement of “naturally if I work IN that building “ in response to the question : Were you in the building at the time “?

So I’m considering the idea that Oswald initially was in the front lobby looking thru  the glass partition   when Carolyn Arnold (looking back) saw him at approx 12:25, and that Oswald did not actually come out to stand on the steps until just a few seconds AFTER the shots were fired.

This might address the probability question of how Oswald could be next to and in FRONT of several persons yet he was apparently unnoticed or not remembered by such persons.

The psychological effect therefore might be the phenomenon of “missing the Gorilla in  the midst of the basketball players” because of shock effect of shots fired causing focus of mind to flight or fight response.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1996 on: October 24, 2022, 09:56:47 PM »
Since there is the LN criticism of the “out front” location for Oswald based on Oswald’s statement of “naturally if I work IN that building “ in response to the question : Were you in the building at the time “?

So I’m considering the idea that Oswald initially was in the front lobby looking thru  the glass partition   when Carolyn Arnold (looking back) saw him at approx 12:25, and that Oswald did not actually come out to stand on the steps until just a few seconds AFTER the shots were fired.

This might address the probability question of how Oswald could be next to and in FRONT of several persons yet he was apparently unnoticed or not remembered by such persons.

The psychological effect therefore might be the phenomenon of “missing the Gorilla in  the midst of the basketball players” because of shock effect of shots fired causing focus of mind to flight or fight response.

Mr Oswald behind the front door at the time of the actual shots is indeed possible, though "Then went outside to watch P. Parade" suggests that is not what he actually claimed in custody. It would also, of course, leave the impossible shadow down Mr Lovelady in Wiegman unexplained..........

I suspect that Ms Arnold did indeed spot Mr Oswald behind the glass front door shortly before the motorcade's arrival----------and that he was keeping an eye on things so he could nip outside at the last moment (he hated small talk and would have found standing around on the steps for several minutes with other employees uncongenial). If----------as I am doubly surmising----------he nipped outside at the last minute and then left the steps immediately after the shots rang out to follow Mr Shelley down on to the street, it's unsurprising that he would go generally unnoticed.

The enclosed, raised-steps entranceway was in the front part of the building. As such it was 'in the building', albeit not INSIDE it. (The Warren Gullibles always pretend the reporter asked 'Were you INSIDE the building at the time?') To leave the building fully, one had to descend the steps and hit the sidewalk.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1997 on: October 24, 2022, 10:49:00 PM »
The enclosed, raised-steps entranceway was in the front part of the building. As such it was 'in the building', albeit not INSIDE it. (The Warren Gullibles always pretend the reporter asked 'Were you INSIDE the building at the time?') To leave the building fully, one had to descend the steps and hit the sidewalk.

Postal Inspector Harry D. Holmes recalled Mr Oswald saying he was up in the building and ran downstairs to see what all the commotion was about.

The chances that Mr Oswald said in interrogation 'Yeah, you got me, I was on an upper floor during the assassination' are precisely zilch.

I believe what Mr Oswald actually talked about was being UP in the (raised front part of the) building (i.e. the front steps) when the shots rang out. Therefore his view of what was happening down Elm Street was blocked. Thus, in order to see what all the commotion was about, he rushed DOWN the steps and out on to the street.

I submit that Mr Oswald left the building TWICE in the space of a few minutes:
1. Running down off the front steps within seconds of the shots ringing out
[---------->Re-entering the building a few minutes later with Mr Shelley via the west door]
2. Re-exiting several minutes later by the front door, where he was stopped by an officer and let pass only after Mr Truly vouched for him as an employee

Mr Holmes, not being privy to Mr Oswald's previous statements on these two exits, erroneously conflated them into one

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1998 on: October 25, 2022, 03:09:58 PM »

I submit that Mr Oswald left the building TWICE in the space of a few minutes:
1. Running down off the front steps within seconds of the shots ringing out
[---------->Re-entering the building a few minutes later with Mr Shelley via the west door]
2. Re-exiting several minutes later by the front door, where he was stopped by an officer and let pass only after Mr Truly vouched for him as an employee

Mr Holmes, not being privy to Mr Oswald's previous statements on these two exits, erroneously conflated them into one


According to Mr Harry D. Holmes, Mr Oswald in custody recalled being stopped at the front door by an officer, who only let him pass when he was cleared as an employee by his superintendent of the place. The superintendent of the place was Mr Roy Truly.

From Asst. Chief Charles Batchelor's report on the activities of Deputy Chief of Police George L. Lumpkin:



Question!

How did Mr Oswald know that Mr Truly was at the front door several minutes after the assassination vouching for employees to a police officer (Eric Kaminski)? How would somebody who got out of the Depository well before Mr Truly came back downstairs know that this was the precise system that was after that put in place?


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1999 on: October 26, 2022, 10:44:18 AM »
Friends, I invite you to read slowly this from Mrs Reid's WC testimony. It is an exceedingly strange moment:

Mr. CARR. Mrs. Reid, have you had occasion to visit with any of Oswald's relatives, his wife or mother?
Mrs. REID. No.
Mr. CARR. Have they been in there since that date to look over the premises?
Mrs. REID. His mother has been but I didn't see her. She didn't go any further than the first floor I understand, but I have never seen her other than these pictures.
Mr. DULLES. Is it usual for the employees of the depository to have friends visit them during office hours or would that be an unusual practice?
Mrs. REID. No; that would not be unusual. Family or somebody wanted to drop by to see you they never have objected to that.
Mr. BELIN. I think the record should show we are offering in evidence this morning, Mr. Dulles, Commission Exhibit 507 which is the diagram of the seventh floor which Officer Baker testified to.
Mr. DULLES. You want that admitted now?
Mr. BELIN. We want that admitted now.
Mr. DULLES. No objection. It will be admitted.
(The diagram referred to was marked Commission Exhibit No. 507 for identification and received in evidence.)
Mr. BELIN. I think those are all the questions we have of Mrs. Reid.
We want to thank you very much for your cooperation in coming up here, Mrs. Reid.


------------Why on earth does Mr Carr ask Ms Reid that bizarre question, a question no other Depository witness was asked?
------------Why does Mr Dulles intervene to modify the topic?
------------Why does Mr Belin then go completely off-topic and shut down Mr Carr's line of questioning altogether?

Did Mr Carr receive word that either Mr Oswald's wife or his mother had been contacted by someone claiming to be a female Depository employee with important information?

If so, what might that information have been?

Speculation: A female employee encountered a Coke-carrying Mr Oswald just after the assassination-------out on the street in front of the building.

Was Mr Oswald with or near Mr Bill Shelley when the latter ran into Ms Gloria Calvery out at 'the corner of the park'?



If so, Mr Shelley's change of story for the WC would be explained: I remained on the steps until after Gloria came running up and told us all what had happened. LHO-Calvery encounter: erased!

Perhaps Mr Carr asks Ms Reid that otherwise bizarre question because he is struck by the similarity between Ms Reid's story and the female employee story he has heard via one of the Oswald women: I saw Lee with a coke; I told him the Pres. had been shot

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