Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1029 on: January 22, 2021, 09:33:35 PM »
Truly may ? have told Fritz that the man's name was Lee Oswald......But I doubt it.

Baker described the man as being about 30, with dark hair, weighing 165 pounds, and wearing a light brown jacket. And he was walking away from the stairs.

Baker did NOT describe Lee Oswald...and therefore Truly would have known full well that the man was NOT Lee Oswald.

So Mr Truly volunteered to Captain Fritz the information that he had cleared as an employee a man who was not an employee?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1030 on: January 22, 2021, 09:35:21 PM »
Meanwhile, for those of us who prefer things to be straightforwardly logical, we have a perfectly clear claim from Mr Oswald himself:

I went to the second floor lunchroom and bought a Coke. I then went down to the first floor to have lunch. Then I took what was left of my lunch and Coke outside with me to watch the P. Parade. I was there on the front steps when the shooting happened.

Mr Oswald's claim is the primary claim. It both precedes and has a hell of a lot more going for it than the WC fairytale claim. The fact that it had to be suppressed tells us all we need to know about its correspondence to reality!  Thumb1:

I went to the second floor lunchroom and bought a Coke. I then went down to the first floor to have lunch. Then I took what was left of my lunch and Coke outside with me to watch the P. Parade. I was there on the front steps when the shooting happened.

Where and when do you imagine that Lee Oswald said this??   I have never heard of anything like this....


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1031 on: January 22, 2021, 09:48:34 PM »
Well, there were other people in the room anyway. Whether they heard such an exchange is another matter altogether.

Inspector Kelley has Mr Oswald make three straight denials---------



----------but Agent Bookhout records only two----------



Let us remind ourselves of how Agent Bookhout--------in first his solo report---------begins his account of Mr Oswald's account of his movements around the time of the assassination:

"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building..."

Notice how Agent Bookhout is going straight to "the time of the search", having skipped over the single most important bit------the time of the shooting itself.

This is the lunchroom CYA strategy in operation: do NOT put any claimed assassination-time location in Mr Oswald's mouth, nor even a denial that he had watched the P. Parade, lest proof emerge down the line that he was in fact out front------------and that YOU lied about what he said in interrogation.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1032 on: January 22, 2021, 11:23:42 PM »
Let us remind ourselves of how Agent Bookhout--------in first his solo report---------begins his account of Mr Oswald's account of his movements around the time of the assassination:

"OSWALD stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building..."

Notice how Agent Bookhout is going straight to "the time of the search", having skipped over the single most important bit------the time of the shooting itself.

This is the lunchroom CYA strategy in operation: do NOT put any claimed assassination-time location in Mr Oswald's mouth, nor even a denial that he had watched the P. Parade, lest proof emerge down the line that he was in fact out front------------and that YOU lied about what he said in interrogation.

As for Mr Truly and Officer Baker, they will say NOTHING incriminating about Mr Oswald's demeanor (no sweating, not out of breath, no agitation) in the lunchroom encounter. The story they tell has to work both ways.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1033 on: January 22, 2021, 11:46:53 PM »
As for Mr Truly and Officer Baker, they will say NOTHING incriminating about Mr Oswald's demeanor (no sweating, not out of breath, no agitation) in the lunchroom encounter. The story they tell has to work both ways.

Many years later, Officer Baker takes part in the 'London Trial'. Mr Oswald's 'defense lawyer', Mr Gerry Spence, shows him a closeup of Altgens 6 and asks him if he recognizes the man in the doorway (whom we know to be Mr Billy Lovelady). Ex-Officer Baker says straight up it looks like Mr Oswald. And that's it. He does not add, 'But it can't be him, because I saw him up on the second floor just after that'. No-----------he knows two things:

-------------a) Mr Oswald was indeed in the doorway at the time of (or at least within seconds of) the shooting
-------------b) the fabricated lunchroom story was designed precisely to allow for the possibility that Mr Oswald could have been in that doorway and still, a very short time later, been up by the lunchroom as Officer Baker came off the first flight of stairs.

Had Mr Spence known the things we know----------starting with Officer Baker's 11/22 affidavit, Agent Hosty's draft interrogation report, the presence of Prayer Man----------that exchange would have gone to an even more interesting place!

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1034 on: January 23, 2021, 12:11:38 AM »
Many years later, Officer Baker takes part in the 'London Trial'. Mr Oswald's 'defense lawyer', Mr Gerry Spence, shows him a closeup of Altgens 6 and asks him if he recognizes the man in the doorway (whom we know to be Mr Billy Lovelady). Ex-Officer Baker says straight up it looks like Mr Oswald. And that's it. He does not add, 'But it can't be him, because I saw him up on the second floor just after that'. No-----------he knows two things:

-------------a) Mr Oswald was indeed in the doorway at the time of (or at least within seconds of) the shooting
-------------b) the fabricated lunchroom story was designed precisely to allow for the possibility that Mr Oswald could have been in that doorway and still, a very short time later, been up by the lunchroom as Officer Baker came off the first flight of stairs.

Had Mr Spence known the things we know----------starting with Officer Baker's 11/22 affidavit, Agent Hosty's draft interrogation report, the presence of Prayer Man----------that exchange would have gone to an even more interesting place!

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Ex-Officer Baker says straight up it looks like Mr Oswald.

As Joe D Schmoe  said.... Big F--ing Deal!      Many folks who have seen Altgen's 6 have said that the man on the steps looks like Lee Oswald...... And I agree the image does look like Lee Oswald..... BUT since I'm convinced that Lee would NOT have been anywhere where he could have been photographed at the time the "SHOTS" were fired, because he thought it was a hoax "attempt"  and it was supposed to appear that he had attempted to shoot JFK . He would not have been anywhere to be seen or photographed during the hoax attempt, because if he had fled to Cuba and been granted asylum as a fugitive who had tried to kill Castro's enemy and a photo surfaced that showed him in a place where he couldn't possibly have been involved in the "attempted " assassination.   .....That would have been a free ticket to attend Castro's firing squad.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade ( Parts 1 & 2 )
« Reply #1035 on: January 23, 2021, 12:15:44 AM »
Ex-Officer Baker says straight up it looks like Mr Oswald.

As Joe D Schmoe  said.... Big F--ing Deal!      Many folks who have seen Altgen's 6 have said that the man on the steps looks like Lee Oswald...... And I agree the image does look like Lee Oswald..... BUT since I'm convinced that Lee would NOT have been anywhere where he could have been photographed at the time the "SHOTS" were fired, because he thought it was a hoax "attempt"  and it was supposed to appear that he had attempted to shoot JFK . He would not have been anywhere to be seen or photographed during the hoax attempt, because if he had fled to Cuba and been granted asylum as a fugitive who had tried to kill Castro's enemy and a photo surfaced that showed him in a place where he couldn't possibly have been involved in the "attempted " assassination.   .....That would have been a free ticket to attend Castro's firing squad.

Unlike you, Mr Cakebread, I never knew Mr Oswald, nor was I privy to the amazing information you have presented here