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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #190 on: February 18, 2019, 06:17:38 AM »
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Thanks for engaging.  So how do your estimates actually jibe with JFK's entrance/exit wounds? Let's start with the back wound. Mark this half man's back where you think the MB struck JFK then we'll go from there. (Hint:not @C7)









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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #190 on: February 18, 2019, 06:17:38 AM »

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #191 on: February 18, 2019, 10:20:14 PM »
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Thanks for engaging.  So how do your estimates actually jibe with JFK's entrance/exit wounds? Let's start with the back wound. Mark this half man's back where you think the MB struck JFK then we'll go from there. (Hint:not @C7)



You ask me to place a mark where I think that the bullet entered but then tell me that I can't place it at the level of C7? Why not C7?

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #192 on: February 19, 2019, 01:55:07 AM »
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You ask me to place a mark where I think that the bullet entered but then tell me that I can't place it at the level of C7? Why not C7?

You can place it anywhere you want.  What does the x-ray show?

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« Reply #192 on: February 19, 2019, 01:55:07 AM »

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #193 on: February 19, 2019, 03:07:41 AM »
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You can place it anywhere you want.  What does the x-ray show?



What does the X-Ray show? I'd have to say that it shows air, likely resulting from the tracheotomy.

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #194 on: February 21, 2019, 06:08:18 AM »
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What does the X-Ray show? I'd have to say that it shows air, likely resulting from the tracheotomy.

 ::) Air, sure. It was noted that JFK sustained damage to his T1 vertebrae. But let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say that CE-399 entered at JFK's back and exited his throat at C7.

You aren't taking into consideration the 17 degree downward angle of the bullet's trajectory. You must place the back wound at the very top of C7 so the throat wound can exit at the bottom of C7.

Do you actually think the back wound was that high? Don't forget that our POV is horizontal (0 deg) not along the trajectory (-17 deg).



You LNers have got it set up so that the back wound is higher than the throat wound to accommodate a shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD. How is that working out for you? Your only hope is the 2 laser challenge and a re-enactment to demonstrate that the MB was even possible let alone feasible. Then you can take your results and shove it down my festering gob and I will STFU! Isn't that your ultimate goal here?

And when you are finished with that, try moving the trajectory down to T1 and see where the neck wound comes out. CE-399 is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma it's...

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« Reply #194 on: February 21, 2019, 06:08:18 AM »

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« Reply #195 on: February 21, 2019, 04:46:25 PM »
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::) Air, sure. It was noted that JFK sustained damage to his T1 vertebrae. But let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say that CE-399 entered at JFK's back and exited his throat at C7.

You aren't taking into consideration the 17 degree downward angle of the bullet's trajectory. You must place the back wound at the very top of C7 so the throat wound can exit at the bottom of C7.

Do you actually think the back wound was that high? Don't forget that our POV is horizontal (0 deg) not along the trajectory (-17 deg).



You LNers have got it set up so that the back wound is higher than the throat wound to accommodate a shot from the 6th floor of the TSBD. How is that working out for you? Your only hope is the 2 laser challenge and a re-enactment to demonstrate that the MB was even possible let alone feasible. Then you can take your results and shove it down my festering gob and I will STFU! Isn't that your ultimate goal here?

You are beyond convincing. For others, consider that Trojan (with the X-ray above and laser test drawing) shows an individual in the anatomical position. This does not reflect the slouch that Kennedy exhibited when seated in the limousine in Dallas.

 

 
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And when you are finished with that, try moving the trajectory down to T1 and see where the neck wound comes out. CE-399 is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma it's...


Gee, I didn't know there were still JFK-assassination college lecturers around.

In the autopsy photo, the camera is oblique to the surface of the back. You seem to think it's facing the back squarely. A camera that's above the back will make the back of the neck surface appear lower and the back spine to recede in perspective. On the other hand, a camera that's straight out from the back will make the whole spine appear more closer to its true position.

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #196 on: February 21, 2019, 08:56:51 PM »
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::) Air, sure. It was noted that JFK sustained damage to his T1 vertebrae.

It was also noted that JFK sustained damage to his C7 vertebrae.

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You aren't taking into consideration the 17 degree downward angle of the bullet's trajectory. You must place the back wound at the very top of C7 so the throat wound can exit at the bottom of C7.

Do you actually think the back wound was that high? Don't forget that our POV is horizontal (0 deg) not along the trajectory (-17 deg).



You are wrong. I did take into consideration the 17 degree downward angle of the bullet's trajectory.



And that was with only a slight lean forward. Kennedy was hunched forward from between 11? and 18?.

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #197 on: February 21, 2019, 10:38:29 PM »
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It was also noted that JFK sustained damage to his C7 vertebrae.

You are wrong. I did take into consideration the 17 degree downward angle of the bullet's trajectory.



And that was with only a slight lean forward. Kennedy was hunched forward from between 11? and 18?.

You're going to lose this one. I know you took the 17 deg angle into account. So did I. So where does that place the back wound? Too high right? So where does going thru T1 place the throat wound? Too low right? That's the dilemma. Prove me wrong.

Also, you are the one relying on perspective to place points of entry/exit. Toss all that out and look for physical reference points, such as the scapula bulge, etc. That has been my mantra, otherwise, slouch shmouch. Rotate your head any way you like, but this can only be resolved with a re-enactment. Then you can place a surrogate in any damn position you like that makes it work.

When are you cheap bastages going to splurge on a 2nd laser pointer and do the damn experiment for yourselves? It's the ONLY way to advance this discussion then you can shut all us CTs TFU!



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« Reply #197 on: February 21, 2019, 10:38:29 PM »

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #198 on: February 22, 2019, 12:02:01 AM »
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You're going to lose this one. I know you took the 17 deg angle into account. So did I. So where does that place the back wound? Too high right? So where does going thru T1 place the throat wound? Too low right? That's the dilemma. Prove me wrong.

The bullet never went through T1 or C7. I'm not convinced that either of the two vertebrae were actually damaged. The experts who examined the X-Rays were not all in agreement on those points. If they were damaged, then it was from the shockwave created by the bullet as it passed close by.

The bullet entered at the level of C7 and exited at the level of C7. Prove me wrong.

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #199 on: February 24, 2019, 11:34:51 PM »
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You're going to lose this one. I know you took the 17 deg angle into account. So did I. So where does that place the back wound? Too high right? So where does going thru T1 place the throat wound? Too low right? That's the dilemma. Prove me wrong.

Also, you are the one relying on perspective to place points of entry/exit. Toss all that out and look for physical reference points, such as the scapula bulge, etc. That has been my mantra, otherwise, slouch shmouch. Rotate your head any way you like, but this can only be resolved with a re-enactment. Then you can place a surrogate in any damn position you like that makes it work.

When are you cheap bastages going to splurge on a 2nd laser pointer and do the damn experiment for yourselves? It's the ONLY way to advance this discussion then you can shut all us CTs TFU!




  When are you people going to stop it with placing Kennedy in a chair, sitting straight up, arms at the side  and so forth, to try to make a point?

 You simply cannot do this.  JFK Wasn't seated anywhere near the position of your laser beam figure.  JFK's legs were bent, and up against the seat of Connally.  His right arm is resting on the side rail of the car, which has to be taken into consideration.  He was not sitting straight up and down like your laser beam figure.   Period.  And this makes a big difference. 

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