Users Currently Browsing This Topic:
0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Author Topic: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.  (Read 17755 times)

Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4831
Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #90 on: August 09, 2018, 04:56:39 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Already covered. You just don't accept the evidence.

No you didn't "cover" them at all.  You just claimed that there was evidence that the MC was the murder weapon, that it
was fired on 22-11-63, and that it was fired from the SN without actually specifying what that evidence is.

Quote
Already covered. He was sighted by two workers on either the fifth or sixth floor at about 11:55.

No, now we see the misrepresentation in action.  "Fifth or sixth floor" becomes "sixth floor", and Carolyn Arnold is ignored.

Quote
Howard Brennan said he saw a man that he later identified as Oswald on the sixth floor seconds before the shots were fired and then saw the rifle being fired.

Howard Brennan failed to identify Oswald on 11/22/63, even after seeing him on television and in the rigged lineup.  And he said he did not see the rifle discharge.  Oops, there's another false claim.

Quote
  Carolyn Arnold said she thought she may have seen Oswald on the second floor 15 minutes before the shooting but I don't find her evidence very persuasive:

Of course you don't.  How about Piper seeing Oswald on the first floor at noon, or Shelley seeing Oswald on he first floor by the telephone at 10 or 15 minutes before 12, or Givens' original report of seeing Oswald reading the newspaper in the domino room at 11:50?

So when we actually deconstruct it, your claim that "Oswald was last seen before the assassination on 6th floor of the TSBD" is just flat out wrong.

Quote
Truly did a roll call just before 1:00 pm and noticed that Oswald was the only TSBD employee missing.

Not only does Truly not mention a roll call -- he doesn't even say that Oswald was the only one missing.  Your statement is patently false.

Mr. BALL. Now, you recall that in your testimony before the Commission you told them that at some time after the shooting, you advised Captain Fritz of the name of Lee Oswald and his address in Irving?
Mr. TRULY. Yes, I did.
Mr. BALL. And in order to place the time of it, was it before or after the rifle had been found on the sixth floor?
Mr. TRULY. I wouldn't know. I think it must have been around the rifle was found, because I was not on the sixth floor at that time, but when told--let's go back a few minutes--pardon me--I told Chief Lumpkin a good many minutes after we came down from the roof and he went ahead and gave some orders to two or three policemen surrounding him and then said, "Let's go up and tell Captain Fritz."
Mr. BALL. Now, what did you tell Chief Lumpkin when you came down from the roof of the building?
Mr. TRULY. When I noticed this boy was missing, I told Chief Lumpkin that "We have a man here that's missing." I said, "It my not mean anything, but he isn't here." I first called down to the other warehouse and had Mr. Akin pull the application of the boy so I could get--quickly get his address in Irving and his general description, so I could be more accurate than I would be.
Mr. BALL. Was he the only man missing?
Mr. TRULY. The only one I noticed at that time. Now, I think there was one or two more, possibly Charles Givens, but I had seen him out in front walking up the street just before the firing of the gun.
Mr. BALL. But walking which way?
Mr. TRULY. The last time I saw him, he was walking across Houston Street, east on Elm.
Mr. BALL. Did you make a check of your employees afterwards?
Mr. TRULY. No, no; not complete. No, I just saw the group of the employees over there on the floor and I noticed this boy wasn't with them. With no thought in my mind except that I had seen him a short time before in the building, I noticed he wasn't there.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean "a short time before"?
Mr. TRULY. I would say 10 or 12 minutes.
Mr. BALL. You mean that's when you saw him in the lunchroom?
Mr. TRULY. In the lunchroom.

Quote
He reported to the Dallas Police that Oswald was missing.  Who else do you think was missing?

What other TSBD employees were missing after the shooting?  Jack Charles Cason, Gloria Jean Holt, Sharon Simmons Nelson, Bonnie Richey, Carolyn Arnold, Mrs. Donald Baker, Judy Marie Johnson, Stella Mae Jacob, Charles Givens, Virginia H. Barnum, Vida Lee Whately, Warren Caster, Spaudlin Jones, Herbert L. Junker, Mrs. Helen Palmer, Franklin Kaiser, Vickie Davis, Dottie Lovelady, Mrs. Rudell Parsons, Joe Bergen, Maury Brown, John Langston

Quote
Earlene Roberts was there. You weren't. She thought he was in an unusual hurry (6 H 438):

You said "after getting his handgun".  Are you claiming Earlene Roberts reported him getting his handgun?

Quote
What do you think the Klein's shipping order says?

There is no "shipping order".  I think you're referring to an "order blank".

Quote
  It is pretty obvious that it says that the order was filled with C2766 and a scope shipped to Box 2915 Dallas, Texas.

Where do you see the word "shipped" on your order blank?

Quote
and the post office official said it took a day to get from Chicago to Dallas.

Did you also read the part where your (FBI informant) post office official said "I have no idea when it was mailed there".  If the post office had any record of shipment he would have had an idea.

Quote
In the sense that there is absolutely no feature of C2766 that is inconsistent with the rifle held by Oswald in the backyard photos.

Your claim was that they were "identical".  All this means is that they could be the same weapon.

Quote
What would you call reaching for your gun, holding it in your hand with your finger on the trigger,

What is your evidence that Oswald held it in his hand with his finger on the trigger?

Quote
saying "Well, it's all over now"

Why did not another single person in the theater hear this?

Quote
and struggling with the arresting police officer?

What probable cause did they have to arrest him for murder?

Quote
Well, for starters, that he didn't own a rifle;

Circular.  You're assuming that he owned a rifle and using that as a basis to claim he lied.

Quote
that he didn't carry a long package to work;

Fritz claimed that he "denied that he had brought the long package described by Mr. Frazier and his sister".  First of all, how did Fritz describe this package to Oswald?  Or did he just show him CE 142?  Who knows?

Quote
and that he didn't have anything to do with the assassination of JFK or murder of Officer Tippit.

Also circular.  You said "provable lies".  Or at least you repeated Bugliosi saying that.

Quote
I corrected that. They were on the part of the barrel covered by the stock, so he handled it when it was disassembled.

No you actually didn't correct that.  It's still not correct.  What do you mean "they"?  What "prints" do you think were found?

Quote
What do you think the envelope and the shipping order indicate?

You said that the envelope that the order coupon was supposedly mailed in was "stamped by Kleins stating that the order was filled".  Show me the stamp.

Quote
It was found on a stretcher. The WC concluded from all the evidence, that it was Connally's stretcher.

What evidence?  Tomlinson said it was the other stretcher.  They just claimed he was mistaken.  Their conclusion was just an assumption.  Like yours are.

Quote
Already dealt with. Where do you think he said the bag was not the same bag.

Did you read the Anderton memo that I helpfully posted 8 days ago?  Or are you just going to ignore everything and continue to repeat the same false claims?

Quote
Being unable to identify the bag shown by the investigator as the bag he saw is not the same as saying it was not the same bag.

He said it was definitely not the one he had observed in the possession of Oswald.

Quote
That's an estimate that is based upon post office transportation and processing times.

Bull.  You said the package was picked up 5 days later.  Post office transportation and processing times tell you nothing about when a package is picked up.  You invented that out of whole cloth.

Quote
CE399 was either on that stretcher because it was brought in by someone in the President's limo or it was planted.

You can't even prove that CE 399 was ever in the hospital at all.

Quote
The grooves on CE399 conclusively match grooves on bullets fired by the C2766 rifle.

So what?  That doesn't show that it was involved in the shooting at 12:30 on 11/22/63.  But you said "a bullet that was fired from that rifle ended up in the car that was shot at".  Do you think CE399 ended up in the car?

Quote
The document speaks for itself.

No it doesn't.  Show me where on that document you think you see the initials of "the person who was responsible for shipping", and identify that individual.

Quote
You think the prints belonged to someone else? They were consistent with Oswald's prints.

Again, what prints do you think were "on a part of the gun covered by the stock"?

Quote
What are the chances that someone else put prints that were consistent with Oswald's on a gun that belonged to Oswald that was brought to the TSBD in a disassembled position in a bag that was consistent with the bag that Oswald was seen by two people to have been in his possession that morning of the assassination? (that's a rhetorical question).

Obviously.  Since you have NFI that a gun was brought to the TSBD in a disassembled position in that bag that those two people said wasn't even the same bag.

Quote
  That is enough to conclude that they were Oswald's prints. I believe the Russian newspapers that he held were shown to be dated March 11 and March 24, 1963.  Marina was not sure when she took the photos when she met with the WC and said she didn't pay much attention to them. But later, to the FBI she said the photos were taken in late March or early April 1963 and were taken on a Sunday.  That puts it likely at March 31 or possibly April 7, 1963.

What does that have to do with your claim that "Marina says Oswald bought a gun through the mail at about that time"?  When did Marina say that he bought a gun through the mail at about that time?
« Last Edit: August 09, 2018, 05:01:18 PM by John Iacoletti »

Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4831
Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #91 on: August 09, 2018, 04:57:33 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
:D

Welcome to Planet Kook

Cool rebuttal, bro.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #91 on: August 09, 2018, 04:57:33 PM »

Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4831
Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #92 on: August 09, 2018, 04:58:38 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
The rifles were purchased in June 1962 and some months later Kleins received the stock, what's the problem?

LOL.  Whatever it takes...

Offline John Mytton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1657
Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #93 on: August 09, 2018, 06:53:20 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
LOL.  Whatever it takes...

No worries, then I'm sure you can tell us the usual time it took for Kleins orders to be dispatched from Crescent?

JohnM

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #93 on: August 09, 2018, 06:53:20 PM »

Offline John Mytton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1657
Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #94 on: August 09, 2018, 06:55:55 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Cool rebuttal, bro.

Thanks

Btw Andrew Mason is kicking your ass.

JohnM

Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4831
Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #95 on: August 09, 2018, 07:21:30 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
Thanks

Btw Andrew Mason is kicking your ass.

No surprise that the guy who always makes false claims about the evidence approves of another guy who makes false claims about the evidence.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #95 on: August 09, 2018, 07:21:30 PM »

Offline John Mytton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1657
Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #96 on: August 09, 2018, 08:17:10 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
No surprise that the guy who always makes false claims about the evidence approves of another guy who makes false claims about the evidence.

No surprise coming from the guy who continually writes checks that he can't afford, the above self serving guess of the Kleins / Crescent business relationship being a prime example.

JohnM

Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4831
Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #97 on: August 09, 2018, 08:50:55 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
No surprise coming from the guy who continually writes checks that he can't afford, the above self serving guess of the Kleins / Crescent business relationship being a prime example.

How about the self-serving "it took them 8 months to get around to shipping an order"?  That is the extraordinary claim here.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #97 on: August 09, 2018, 08:50:55 PM »

Offline John Mytton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1657
Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #98 on: August 09, 2018, 09:00:24 PM »
You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login
How about the self-serving "it took them 8 months to get around to shipping an order"?  That is the extraordinary claim here.

Again you're questioning how these businesses conducted their transactions and based on what, your intuition?

JohnM

Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 4831
Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #99 on: August 09, 2018, 10:29:24 PM »
Says the guy who bases his conclusion that Oswald shot Kennedy on his intuition.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #99 on: August 09, 2018, 10:29:24 PM »

 

Mobile View