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Offline Andrew Mason

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #70 on: August 01, 2018, 11:33:45 PM »
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No, all I have to do is show that the conclusion doesn't necessarily follow from the evidence.  It's a fact that Oswald left his wedding ring behind.  It's not a fact that he did so because he was planning to shoot the president.
 
You're already off the rails when you say "Oswald?s Mannlicher-Carcano rifle".  That's an assumption, not a fact.

Define "fled".  That's a value judgment, not a fact.  He certainly left and didn't return, which is true for other employees as well.

Again, you're assuming that he killed somebody else to demonstrate that he killed JFK.  That doesn't follow.

"bore the signature"?  What on earth does that mean?  You could also say that Tippit's murder "bore the signature" of a professional hit man -- rapid shooting from the hip.

They had no grounds for arrest, nor did they tell him he was under arrest, hence he could not by definition have "resisted arrest".  Also the arrest report box for "resisted" was not even checked.

That's flat out false.  Even by McDonald's account, he merely "went for it".  Whatever that means.  What does this have to do with Kennedy anyway?

Really?  Name them.  Along with your proof that they are lies.

How do the backyard photos tell you who killed Kennedy?

There are no shipping records.  How do  Klein's purchase records tell you who killed Kennedy?

What post office records?

What evidence of Marina?

What do these fibers that can't even be tied to any specific item tell you about who killed Kennedy?

You're confused.  There were no discernible prints on any stock.

How does that fact tell you who killed Kennedy?  The clothing in the backyard photos were never found either.  Does that mean he never had them?

You mean the same Marina who said she took one photo with a camera that you hold up to your face?  No wait, I guess it was 2 photos.  No, three.

But lets say that Marina took all the photos and they were not altered.  How does that tell you who killed Kennedy?

What is your evidence that Oswald fired an MC at Gen. Walker?

What bullets?  You mean the mutilated steel-jacketed bullet that the police said they found there?

Actually none of it establishes that C2766 belonged to Oswald.

Who said they're all wrong?  I'm asking you how any of this demonstrates that Oswald killed Kennedy.
None of it does individually, just like one piece of 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle doesn't give you the picture. But altogether they establish a crystal clear portrait of Oswald pressing the trigger of the MC at JFK. Maybe there are a few pixels missing, but that picture still is unmistakeably Oswald.

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It was?  Show me that stamped envelope.
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What "business record" shows that a package ever went through the US mail to this address?  Klein's would have had to pay postage for this shipment, right?  Where is the record of that payment? How do you know it went through the mail then?
It is established by the evidence from Kleins of their system for processing orders.  According to that system, mail orders were processed and the ordered item(s) were shipped by mail to the address stated on the order.   The evidence of the order and Kleins' stamp on it (showing the order was processed in the normal course) establishes that it went through that process. We also know that the package was shipped because it arrived at the Dallas post office and was picked up 5 days later.   Are you serious about this or just making up arguments for the sake of being argumentative?

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How does that follow?  A bullet with a pointed tip was found on an unrelated stretcher at Parkland Hospital.  What reason do you have for assuming it was related to the assassination of JFK?  Why does it take a "huge conspiracy" for an unrelated bullet to be found at a hospital?
You seem to be overlooking that a rifle was found in the TSBD and CE399 was a bullet that was fired from that rifle. CE399 either ended up in the President's car that was shot and was discovered later on Connally's stretcher at Parkland or it was planted by a conspirator at Parkland (or flawlessly fabricated by persons connected with the investigation).  Unless it was planted or fabricated (please provide at least a scintilla of evidence of that) it had to have been fired during the assassination.

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You don't actually know that any of the shots in Dealey Plaza were fired by C2766.  That's an assumption too.  Given that you can't demonstrate that CE399 was the bullet found on the stretcher or that CE399 ever went through Kennedy, Connally, or any human body at any time, your assumption that it was involved in the assassination is completely without merit.
You don't seem to want to apply common sense to objective facts.  The bullet CE399 was found in Parkland. It had been fired by C2766. What is your explanation as to how that could occur if it was not part of the assassination or if it was not planted as part of an elaborate conspiracy.  When I said "could occur" I mean in the real world, not some make-believe fantasy.
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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #71 on: August 01, 2018, 11:57:06 PM »
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None of it does individually, just like one piece of 1000 piece jigsaw puzzle doesn't give you the picture. But altogether they establish a crystal clear portrait of Oswald pressing the trigger on the MC. Maybe there are a few pixels missing, but that picture still is unmistakeably Oswald.

So you keep claiming.  But if none of the jigsaw pieces fit then you get no picture at all.

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It is established by the evidence from Kleins that their system for processing orders.  According to that system, mail orders were processed and the ordered item(s) were shipped to the address stated on the order by mail.

The "system" (at least as expressed by the VP who never actually performed any of the steps in "the system") said nothing about how packages were delivered to the post office, postage paid, or any documentation of when this was done.  You would think the post office would also have a paper trail for packages that entered their system.  Otherwise, what would they do if a package was claimed lost or stolen?

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   The evidence of the order and Kleins' stamp on it (showing the order was processed in the normal course)

I'm still trying to figure out what envelope or order you think has a Klein's stamp on it.  Please post a picture of it.

[edit:  I see you edited your post to add a link to a picture of CE 773.  Where do you see a "Klein's stamp showing that the order was processed" anywhere in that picture?  I don't think you really understand what you are looking at.]

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We also know that the package was shipped because it arrived at the Dallas post office and was picked up 5 days later.

We do?  Do you have anything at all that demonstrates that this package arrived at the Dallas post office and was picked up 5 days later?  I seriously don't know where you're getting this stuff.

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You seem to be overlooking that a rifle was found in the TSBD and a bullet that was fired from that rifle ended up in the car that was shot at.

I'm not overlooking anything.  How exactly do you know that "a bullet" (sic) ended up in the car, and how do you know it was fired from that rifle?  Be specific.  And let's say for the sake of argument that this is all completely true without any doubt.  How does that tell you who pulled the trigger?

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You don't seem to want to apply common sense to objective facts.

"Common sense" is what people appeal to when they don't have real evidence.

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  The bullet CE399 was found in Parkland.

That's a matter of dispute among the people who actually handled the bullet found at Parkland.

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It had been fired by C2766. What is your explanation as to how that could occur if it was not part of the assassination

This is the beginning of a circular argument.  CE 399 was part of the assassination because it was fired by C2766, and C2766 was the murder weapon because it fired CE 399.

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  When I said "could occur" I mean in the real world, not some make-believe fantasy.

Your entire narrative is a make-believe fantasy, disguised as "common sense".
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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #72 on: August 02, 2018, 05:30:11 AM »
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In other words, you have no reason to think that the bag that Frazier and Randle saw is the same bag as CE 142, other than that you want it to be.

Keep your 'in other words' to yourself
You clearly want that to be.

BWF clearly did not rule CE 142 out as the one he saw Dirty Harvey carrying

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #72 on: August 02, 2018, 05:30:11 AM »

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #73 on: August 02, 2018, 05:41:47 AM »
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So you keep claiming.  But if none of the jigsaw pieces fit then you get no picture at all.

The "system" (at least as expressed by the VP who never actually performed any of the steps in "the system") said nothing about how packages were delivered to the post office, postage paid, or any documentation of when this was done.  You would think the post office would also have a paper trail for packages that entered their system.  Otherwise, what would they do if a package was claimed lost or stolen?

I'm still trying to figure out what envelope or order you think has a Klein's stamp on it.  Please post a picture of it.

[edit:  I see you edited your post to add a link to a picture of CE 773.  Where do you see a "Klein's stamp showing that the order was processed" anywhere in that picture?  I don't think you really understand what you are looking at.]

We do?  Do you have anything at all that demonstrates that this package arrived at the Dallas post office and was picked up 5 days later?  I seriously don't know where you're getting this stuff.

I'm not overlooking anything.  How exactly do you know that "a bullet" (sic) ended up in the car, and how do you know it was fired from that rifle?  Be specific.  And let's say for the sake of argument that this is all completely true without any doubt.  How does that tell you who pulled the trigger?

"Common sense" is what people appeal to when they don't have real evidence.

That's a matter of dispute among the people who actually handled the bullet found at Parkland.

This is the beginning of a circular argument.  CE 399 was part of the assassination because it was fired by C2766, and C2766 was the murder weapon because it fired CE 399.

Your entire narrative is a make-believe fantasy, disguised as "common sense".

'But if none of the jigsaw pieces fit then you get no picture at all'

Duh. Of course they don't fit for you, Sherlock. Certainly not the way you lot twist, mangle, bend, and chew on the individual pieces like two-year-old children.

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #74 on: August 02, 2018, 05:50:58 PM »
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Keep your 'in other words' to yourself
You clearly want that to be.

BWF clearly did not rule CE 142 out as the one he saw Dirty Harvey carrying

Yes he did.  Did you even look at the Anderton memo?

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #75 on: August 02, 2018, 05:51:37 PM »
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'But if none of the jigsaw pieces fit then you get no picture at all'

Duh. Of course they don't fit for you, Sherlock. Certainly not the way you lot twist, mangle, bend, and chew on the individual pieces like two-year-old children.

 :D :D :D

Is this empty rhetoric supposed to prove your case?

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #76 on: August 02, 2018, 07:23:02 PM »
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Yes he did.  Did you even look at the Anderton memo?

Yeah

I also read Frazier saying under oath that it could or couldn't be the the sack he saw Oswald carrying. He didn't rule it out. Of course you lot ignore that which is inconvenient to your pet theories.
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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #77 on: August 02, 2018, 07:29:18 PM »
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Is this empty rhetoric supposed to prove your case?

Are your constant attempts to separate the pieces from the whole somehow supposed to prove something, other than that you are constantly attempting to separate the pieces from the whole?

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #77 on: August 02, 2018, 07:29:18 PM »

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #78 on: August 02, 2018, 09:09:47 PM »
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Are your constant attempts to separate the pieces from the whole somehow supposed to prove something, other than that you are constantly attempting to separate the pieces from the whole?

You have yet to explain how combining things that aren't evidence somehow turn into evidence.

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #79 on: August 02, 2018, 09:14:43 PM »
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Yeah

I also read Frazier saying under oath that it could or couldn't be the the sack he saw Oswald carrying. He didn't rule it out. Of course you lot ignore that which is inconvenient to your pet theories.

That's an interesting claim.  Would you care to quote where you think that Frazier said under oath that it could or couldn't be the the sack he saw Oswald carrying?

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