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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #120 on: August 27, 2018, 07:56:56 PM »
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The question is not whether a jury would necessarily conclude that Oswald was guilty. By that standard, OJ Simpson and El Sayyid Nosair were not responsible for murder. We know they were.

What do you mean, "we"?

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  Juries can get hung up on an issue that they can't get past: like "did the gloves fit"? Some wingnut juror could get hung up on whether Oswald ever ordered a gun from Klein's and somehow convince themself that all the other evidence did not matter. 

Your biases are showing.  People who refuse to make the same leaps as you are "wingnuts"?

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The questions are: 1. is there evidence on which a successful prosecution could be made that Oswald murdered of JFK? and 2. is there is any evidence that anyone else was involved in planning and/or carrying it out? The answers have to be: 1. Yes and 2. No.  That is as far as anyone can go in this case.

You can't answer question 1 without it actually having been done.  It's just a matter of conjecture how a trial would go.  Yes, there have been a couple of mock trials, but they weren't all that authentic for various reasons.  Question 2 is irrelevant to a finding of guilt or not for Oswald.

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The issue that this thread raised, initially: "a scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory", was whether the SBT can withstand scientific scrutiny.  In my view, it cannot.  But that does not in any way change the overwhelming case against Oswald.

SBT or not, there just isn't an "overwhelming case against Oswald".  It requires too many leaps of faith.

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #121 on: August 27, 2018, 09:15:01 PM »
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and there's nothing "directly linking" that particular coupon to that particular envelope

Yeah, only the name and the return address. LOL!

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #122 on: August 27, 2018, 10:03:23 PM »
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What do you mean, "we"?
You and me (and everyone else who followed the evidence)..... unless you think OJ and Nosair were framed....

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Your biases are showing.  People who refuse to make the same leaps as you are "wingnuts"?
No. Just those for whom a doubt on a single piece of evidence makes them ignore all the rest of the evidence.  Sometimes a perverse verdict is all an accused can hope for. 

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You can't answer question 1 without it actually having been done.  It's just a matter of conjecture how a trial would go.  Yes, there have been a couple of mock trials, but they weren't all that authentic for various reasons.
There can't be a trial. The question is whether evidence exists that is capable of convincing 12 reasonable persons that Oswald committed the murder.  The answer to that question is "Yes".


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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #123 on: August 27, 2018, 10:06:15 PM »
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Yeah, only the name and the return address. LOL!

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And the handwriting!

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #124 on: August 27, 2018, 10:27:09 PM »
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Some wingnut juror could get hung up on whether Oswald ever ordered a gun from Klein's and somehow convince themself that all the other evidence did not matter. 

Clever but I don't think Iacoletti saw the connection.

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #125 on: August 28, 2018, 12:19:10 AM »
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Clever but I don't think Iacoletti saw the connection.

What I see is that people who don't have a good argument just insult the person with an opposing view and hope that people can't tell the difference.

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #126 on: August 28, 2018, 12:20:22 AM »
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Yeah, only the name and the return address. LOL!

Is that supposed to prove that that particular coupon was ever in that particular envelope?

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #127 on: August 28, 2018, 12:24:24 AM »
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No. Just those for whom a doubt on a single piece of evidence makes them ignore all the rest of the evidence.

When what little real evidence there is, is weak and circumstantial, and it's all questionable, arguable, impeachable, or tainted in some way then it's not ignoring anything to call it unreliable.  This isn't a single piece of evidence -- it's every piece of evidence.

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The question is whether evidence exists that is capable of convincing 12 reasonable persons that Oswald committed the murder.  The answer to that question is "Yes".

Is this just a guess based on what it takes to convince you of something?

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #128 on: August 28, 2018, 12:42:34 AM »
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Is that supposed to prove that that particular coupon was ever in that particular envelope?

Hilarious talk about desperate, not only are you trying to separate each piece of evidence against Oswald now you're separating each piece of individual evidence into something which has no alternate narrative and no real world equivalence.

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Re: A scientific look at the Single Bullet Theory.
« Reply #129 on: August 28, 2018, 01:43:53 PM »
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When what little real evidence there is, is weak and circumstantial, and it's all questionable, arguable, impeachable, or tainted in some way then it's not ignoring anything to call it unreliable.  This isn't a single piece of evidence -- it's every piece of evidence.
Ok. So let's say there is a finite probability that the microfilm showing the envelope and coupon together is not evidence that the coupon was in the envelope. Let's say that probability is x. Then you have the order sheet prepared by Klein's showing that C2766 was used to fill an order to be sent to Box 2915 Dallas.  Let's say that the probability that C2766 was NOT used to fill such an order is x.  etc.etc. Are you saying at the end of the day you have a probability of x that Oswald never purchased C2766?

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