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Author Topic: If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?  (Read 14412 times)

Offline Peter Goth

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Howard Brennan got instant publicity, and did very little to avoid it
Lane made no assumption
The DMN not only mentions Brennan by name but also his occupation.

11/23/63
Assassin Crouched And Took Deadly Aim
by Kent Biffle ( Section 4-page 1 )

"There were many faces in the windows of the building. A few, like H. L. Brennan,
a 44-year-old steamfitter, actually got a glimpse of the gunman.


"After the first shot, I looked up and saw him. The gun was sticking out the window.
I saw him fire a second time. "He was a slender guy, a nice-looking guy.
He didn't seem to be in no hurry", said Brennan.

and from researcher Gil Jesus:

Brennan asked David Belin during his testimony if the Commission had the television coverage of his interview with Secret Service agents at the crime scene. Brennan's instant celebrity, his name and face, had been broadcast all over Dallas BEFORE HE HAD EVEN SEEN THE LINEUP.

In August, 1964, before the release of the Warren Report, Brennan spoke on camera with CBS News, for their nationwide broadcast, "CBS News Extra: November 22, 1963 and the Warren Report," aired on September 27, 1964. Interviews were done, according to narrator Walter Cronkite, a month before the telecast and the release of the Warren Report.

In the CBS program, Brennan blatantly contradicted his sworn Warren Commission testimony when, having blown his cover, he told the nation that "The President's head just exploded."

Brennan also posed for a photograph which appeared in the October 2, 1964 issue of Life magazine.



For a man trying to keep a low cover for fear of his life, he sure didn't act that way.
as far as " a nobody like LHO being able to pull off the assassination alone"
Go ahead and prove it -  so far the only one making assumptions is you.
« Last Edit: June 30, 2020, 04:38:32 PM by Peter Goth »

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But you have not explained a single one of those points. You've found it necessary to misrepresent Brennan's testimony on the rifle scope and on the man's position while firing. You've offered only specious excuses for Brennan's combative conduct toward the HSCA. You've quoted a source that said that a young person with exceptional distance vision could have seen the man's face clearly, apparently unaware that Brennan was 44 and wore glasses at the time of the shooting. You have yet to address the fact that the Z film shows that Brennan didn't even look up until after Z207. You've tried to explain away Brennan's corroborated statement about the color of the man's clothing by speculating that the man took off his shirt and was just wearing his T-shirt while firing, ignoring the fact that two other witnesses said the man's shirt had buttons and was partially unbuttoned. You have yet to address the fact that Jarman said he heard no movement above him after the shots were fired and that Williams' testimony supported Jarman's, and yet you claim that Oswald would have had an extra 3-4 seconds to linger at the window and put his shirt back on, when the WC had to severely rig its reenactment of Oswald's alleged movements to get him down to the second floor in time. Etc., etc., etc.

We are going around in circles, but only because you will not credibly and honestly deal with the problems with Brennan's account.

We are going around in circles, but only because you will not credibly and honestly deal with the problems with Brennan's account.

I've been down the same path with Collins. It's a complete waste of time talking to him because he is so convinced that he is right about everything that he will never ever accept a view different from his own. He pretends that he is a fair minded individual but in reality he isn't. He will keep on repeating the same crap time after time, never accepting a word you say, avoid all the hard questions you ask and calling you unreasonable.

A good example is the newspaper article quoting Brennan by name. The mere fact that it's in the newspaper as a direct quote with Brennan's name and profession added on, should convince any reasonable individual that Brennan must have spoken to a reporter. But not according to Collins.... if you believe him, that quote and Brennan's name and profession appeared in the newspaper without any reporter ever having spoken to Brennan.... In other words, the only logical conclusion for Collins' point of view is that the newspaper reporter must have either overheard it somewhere, or, even worse, made it up himself and got it exactly right......
« Last Edit: June 30, 2020, 04:45:03 PM by Martin Weidmann »

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As for the television tapes and broadcasts
Television stations contacted the FBI - we have these tapes   - or they will be erased
The Commission wouldn't take this important evidence - it was destroyed
Here is discussion on the medical interviews

Mr. DULLES - I suggest, Mr. Specter, if you feel it is feasible, you send to the doctor the accounts of his press conference or conferences.
And possibly, if you are willing, sir, you could send us a letter, send to the Commission a letter, pointing out the various points in these press conferences where you are inaccurately quoted, so we can have that as a matter of record. Is that feasible?

Dr. PERRY - That is, sir

THEY NEVER DID
This was a direct order from a commissioner to the legal staff...There is no letter sent to the WC as a matter of record.
The tapes had already been taken by the SS...they do not exist in the NA.
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Howard Brennan got instant publicity, and did very little to avoid it
Lane made no assumption
The DMN not only mentions Brennan by name but also his occupation.

11/23/63
Assassin Crouched And Took Deadly Aim
by Kent Biffle ( Section 4-page 1 )

"There were many faces in the windows of the building. A few, like H. L. Brennan,
a 44-year-old steamfitter, actually got a glimpse of the gunman.


"After the first shot, I looked up and saw him. The gun was sticking out the window.
I saw him fire a second time. "He was a slender guy, a nice-looking guy.
He didn't seem to be in no hurry", said Brennan.

and from researcher Gil Jesus:

Brennan asked David Belin during his testimony if the Commission had the television coverage of his interview with Secret Service agents at the crime scene. Brennan's instant celebrity, his name and face, had been broadcast all over Dallas BEFORE HE HAD EVEN SEEN THE LINEUP.

In August, 1964, before the release of the Warren Report, Brennan spoke on camera with CBS News, for their nationwide broadcast, "CBS News Extra: November 22, 1963 and the Warren Report," aired on September 27, 1964. Interviews were done, according to narrator Walter Cronkite, a month before the telecast and the release of the Warren Report.

In the CBS program, Brennan blatantly contradicted his sworn Warren Commission testimony when, having blown his cover, he told the nation that "The President's head just exploded."

Brennan also posed for a photograph which appeared in the October 2, 1964 issue of Life magazine.



For a man trying to keep a low cover for fear of his life, he sure didn't act that way.
as far as " a nobody like LHO being able to pull off the assassination alone"
Go ahead and prove it -  so far the only one making assumptions is you.


Thanks for the information.

Biffle was in the motorcade and then went into the TSBD with the first wave of police. He was locked inside the TSBD most of the afternoon. Then he headed straight to his office when he left the TSBD. I find it hard to believe that he interviewed Brennan. There was his fellow reporter Hugh Aynesworth nearby Brennan while Brennan was talking to the police and feds in front of the TSBD. It appears to me that Aynesworth could have overheard some of what Brennan told the police and feds and given it to Biffle. Also, it is feasible that someone with the police leaked some information on Brennan to the DMN. A claim that Brennan talked to reporters and gave them his name on 11/22/63 based on what we have seen here can only be an assumption.

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Thanks for the information.

Biffle was in the motorcade and then went into the TSBD with the first wave of police. He was locked inside the TSBD most of the afternoon. Then he headed straight to his office when he left the TSBD. I find it hard to believe that he interviewed Brennan. There was his fellow reporter Hugh Aynesworth nearby Brennan while Brennan was talking to the police and feds in front of the TSBD. It appears to me that Aynesworth could have overheard some of what Brennan told the police and feds and given it to Biffle. Also, it is feasible that someone with the police leaked some information on Brennan to the DMN. A claim that Brennan talked to reporters and gave them his name on 11/22/63 based on what we have seen here can only be an assumption.

There you go.... just as predicted. Any excuse will do, as long as Brennan did not speak to the press himself!

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If I remember correctly, our interaction began when I simply asked for your source of information for your claim that Brennan's alleged "willingness to talk with and give his name to journalists earlier in the day." Your answer was in Mark Lane's book. Mark Lane's claim is based on the Dallas Morning News dated 11/23/63. A quote from Kent Biffle's article (posted here by Jack Neesan) in that paper does not support Lane's apparent assumption that Brennan talked to reporters, much less gave them his name. I was genuinely interested in knowing the basis for your claim. If there had been credible evidence that it was true, I would have had a different opinion of Brennan. Yet you have apparently convinced yourself that it is true without any credible supporting evidence, only a very obvious assumption by Mark Lane. Thank you for providing the information that I asked about.

The irony regarding Brennan's behavior that occurs to me is that he apparently let his emotions control his decisions regarding identifying LHO on 11/22/63, And his reactions to the HSCA inquiry. And I believe that many conspiracy theorists have a similar issue. Instead of listening to reason, they emotionally cannot accept the idea of a nobody like LHO being able to pull off the assassination alone and will not listen to a reasonable explanation. It should therefore follow that the CTs could readily identify with Brennan's actions. But they usually say that Brennan's actions "don't make any sense," or something similar. And that is how most of the LN folks view the CT arguments: "they don't make any sense."

And that is how most of the LN folks view the CT arguments: "they don't make any sense."
Bingo. And any LN reply is just an 'excuse' to Cters
 
« Last Edit: June 30, 2020, 08:13:03 PM by Bill Chapman »

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I never heard this detail before. They tried to give him CPR? Which officers tried to do that?

There was a car waiting to take Oswald to his transfer destination, but instead of immediately putting him in the car and rushing him to the hospital, the DPD decided to carry him back to an office, call an ambulance, and wait for the ambulance to show up, which took 6-7 precious minutes.

As for the mind-boggling attempt at CPR, Detective Leavelle implied that an intern on duty from Parkland Hospital did it. Parkland would send an intern to the DPD on weekends as part of his/her training. Conveniently enough, Leavelle said the intern was the one who pressed up and down on Oswald's chest. If it was the intern, he must have been the most brainless intern ever born. The last thing in the world you do with a guy who's been shot in the gut is press up and down on his chest because, obviously, that's going to have the effect of pumping more blood out of any arteries that have been severed/punctured by the bullet. There is no indication that Oswald's heart had stopped or that he had stopped breathing, and, revealingly, the intern made no attempt to perform a trach on Oswald.

Ruby's bullet went from left to right, injuring the spleen, pancreas, aorta, vena cava, right kidney, and right lobe of the liver, and stopped in the right chest wall. Any intern with a lick of common sense would have suspected that a shot to the gut would cause such injuries and would have known not to press up and down on Oswald.


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There was a car waiting to take Oswald to his transfer destination, but instead of immediately putting him in the car and rushing him to the hospital, the DPD decided to carry him back to an office, call an ambulance, and wait for the ambulance to show up, which took 6-7 precious minutes.

As for the mind-boggling attempt at CPR, Detective Leavelle implied that an intern on duty from Parkland Hospital did it. Parkland would send an intern to the DPD on weekends as part of his/her training. Conveniently enough, Leavelle said the intern was the one who pressed up and down on Oswald's chest. If it was the intern, he must have been the most brainless intern ever born. The last thing in the world you do with a guy who's been shot in the gut is press up and down on his chest because, obviously, that's going to have the effect of pumping more blood out of any arteries that have been severed/punctured by the bullet. There is no indication that Oswald's heart had stopped or that he had stopped breathing, and, revealingly, the intern made no attempt to perform a trach on Oswald.

Ruby's bullet went from left to right, injuring the spleen, pancreas, aorta, vena cava, right kidney, and right lobe of the liver, and stopped in the right chest wall. Any intern with a lick of common sense would have suspected that a shot to the gut would cause such injuries and would have known not to press up and down on Oswald.

Thanks. You learn something new everyday. Off hand, do you know which Jim leavelle interview it was in which he mentioned that? I'm guessing it was a Jim Leavelle interview by the way you worded it.

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And that is how most of the LN folks view the CT arguments: "they don't make any sense."
Bingo. And any LN reply is just an 'excuse'

When you guys come up with stuff you can not really explain, support with evidence or is just an excuse, do you ever wonder that it could be your arguments that are deeply flawed?

And have you ever considered that a CT argument not making any sense to you, could be the result of a limited capacity on your part to honestly process information? Or do you just assume you are always 100% right about everything, by default, making anything a CT says never make any sense to you?
« Last Edit: June 30, 2020, 08:15:57 PM by Martin Weidmann »

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This makes no sense. If Brennan was medically incapable of confirming his previous statements, even if he didn't have to read them but they were read to him, then why did he say he would only testify if he were subpoenaed? Why did he say that he would get his doctor to say that testifying would be bad for his health, but nothing about his being incapable of testifying? How was Brennan able to speak with HSCA staffers and say all this stuff but supposedly unable to confirm the accuracy of his previous statements?

Ah, the classic OAKer 'Doesn't-Make-Sense' nothingburger
« Last Edit: July 01, 2020, 09:07:52 PM by Bill Chapman »

 

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