If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?

[Martin Weidmann]

Alan, I think we are much closer in thoughts than it might appear. When I first started looking at the Chicken lunch story many years ago I had no idea where it would lead. The assembled evidence clearly failEd to support the official narrative. We have employees changing significant events over time, there can be no debate that they did, it’s in the record. The closest I can come to the lone nut version is that Williams was encouraged by Oswald to vacate the sixth floor a few minutes before the shots. If this were the case one must ask, why didn’t Williams convey to this fact to the police on the afternoon of the assassination. He knew Oswald was in custody and was questioned about him. At that point he becomes the star prosecution witness.

Unless it was somebody else who encouraged Williams to leave, in which case he becomes a prime target.

[Alan Ford]

Alan, I think we are much closer in thoughts than it might appear. When I first started looking at the Chicken lunch story many years ago I had no idea where it would lead. The assembled evidence clearly failEd to support the official narrative. We have employees changing significant events over time, there can be no debate that they did, it’s in the record. The closest I can come to the lone nut version is that Williams was encouraged by Oswald to vacate the sixth floor a few minutes before the shots. If this were the case one must ask, why didn’t Williams convey to this fact to the police on the afternoon of the assassination. He knew Oswald was in custody and was questioned about him. At that point he becomes the star prosecution witness.

Well argued, Mr Crow---------and this makes it seem highly unlikely IMO that Mr Williams was part of the conspiracy. He could have fed Mr Oswald to the lions with a contrived story, such as.... 'Oswald was real unfriendly as usual, so when I heard Junior & Harold arrive down below I decided to join them.' But no, he gives the WC nothing in that line.

Bottom line! Anyone apart from Mr Oswald up on the sixth floor up to very shortly before the motorcade is a disaster for the official story. And that this anyone is seen simultaneously with a man holding a rifle only adds compound interest to said disaster!

[Alan Ford]

Unless it was somebody else who encouraged Williams to leave, in which case he becomes a prime target.

Exactly!  The only real point of disagreement we all have here is the when of Mr Williams' being asked to leave the sixth floor---------I put it upon his arrival there (most likely the person 'encouraging' him to go back down is positioned near the stairway/elevators); others put it later.

[Colin Crow]

Well argued, Mr Crow---------and this makes it seem highly unlikely IMO that Mr Williams was part of the conspiracy. He could have fed Mr Oswald to the lions with a contrived story, such as.... 'Oswald was real unfriendly as usual, so when I heard Junior & Harold arrive down below I decided to join them.' But no, he gives the WC nothing in that line.

Bottom line! Anyone apart from Mr Oswald up on the sixth floor up to very shortly before the motorcade is a disaster for the official story. And that this anyone is seen simultaneously with a man holding a rifle only adds compound interest to said disaster!

Here we agree entirely. It was not Oswald who "encouraged" Williams to leave the sixth floor. It seems we now have opened other possibilities. Did Williams go to the 6th floor with his lunch after noon at all? He certainly didn’t mention that on the afternoon of the assassination. Why might he fail to remember that important detail and yet the very next day he recalled venturing to the 6th floor albeit momentarily?

[Alan Ford]

Here we agree entirely. It was not Oswald who "encouraged" Williams to leave the sixth floor. It seems we now have opened other possibilities. Did Williams go to the 6th floor with his lunch after noon at all? He certainly didn’t mention that on the afternoon of the assassination. Why might he fail to remember that important detail and yet the very next day he recalled venturing to the 6th floor albeit momentarily?

Excellent question, Mr Crow!

Perhaps Mr Williams told the 'investigating' authorities how he was not allowed on to the sixth floor, and they leaned on him to pretend he had actually managed to spend at least some time up there? They badly needed to scotch any unhelpful claims/rumors of an alien presence up there shortly before the motorcade. Otherwise pinning the crime on Mr Oswald as a lone actor would become impossible.

[Colin Crow]

Excellent question, Mr Crow!

Perhaps Mr Williams told the 'investigating' authorities how he was not allowed on to the sixth floor, and they leaned on him to pretend he had actually managed to spend at least some time up there? They badly needed to scotch any unhelpful claims/rumors of an alien presence up there shortly before the motorcade. Otherwise pinning the crime on Mr Oswald as a lone actor would become impossible.

Maybe we can conduct an exercise to establish common ground and see what can be concluded. I would include Dan in this (and anyone else who would like to participate rationally).

First question, were remnants of a lunch, an empty Dr Pepper bottle, chicken bones, including an unfinished piece, a lunch sack and Doritos bag found on the sixth floor by police about half an hour after the shots?

[Dan O'meara]

Maybe we can conduct an exercise to establish common ground and see what can be concluded. I would include Dan in this (and anyone else who would like to participate rationally).

First question, were remnants of a lunch, an empty Dr Pepper bottle, chicken bones, including an unfinished piece, a lunch sack and Doritos bag found on the sixth floor by police about half an hour after the shots?

I'll start the ball rolling with Luke Mooney's next day 'Sheriff's Report':

"I then went on back to the 6th floor and went direct to the far corner and then discovered a cubby hole which had been constructed out of cartons which protected it from sight and found where someone had been in an area of perhaps 2 feet surrounded by cardboard cartons of books. Inside this cubby hole affair was three more boxes so arranged as to provide what appeared to be a rest for a rifle. On one of these cartons was a half-eaten piece of chicken. The minute that I saw the expended shells on the floor..."

To me this report isn't ringing any alarm bells. A description of the SN and a rifle rest. It seems that the half-eaten piece of chicken (I'm assuming this is a piece of fried chicken on the bone) is his first real observation. However, no mention of a lunch bag, soda bottle, Fritos etc just the chicken piece.
That it was half-eaten cries out that the owner was interrupted whilst eating it. In my mind it also demonstrates a lack of professionalism if we are talking about a trained assassin here. On a job this big it is difficult to imagine a professional hitman bringing his lunch with him.