If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?

[Colin Crow]

Thanks for these thoughts, gents! 

I don't believe the rats who killed Pres. Kennedy had any interest in setting up Mr Oswald as the (lone) shooter (the LN narrative was the creation of the 'investigating' authorities after the event). It's quite possible the original DPD line----------that the pop bottle and chicken bones belonged to the ice-cold shooter-----------was correct, and that individual was perfectly unconcerned about leaving behind such evidence.

Again I come back to the question of minimal pre-assassination planning. You plan to shoot (or stage a shooting?) from the sixth floor. Are you seriously going to leave it to chance that no legit employees will wander on to 'your' floor and come to the south-facing windows? Isn't it far more likely that you will contrive a scheme for keeping the floor clear?

A theory that has a non-participant employee being given free reign of the sixth floor up to just a couple of minutes pre-motorcade is v. problematical IMO. If Mr Rowland's description of the black man at the SN window were a good match for Mr Williams, I would be forced to conclude that he was in fact a participant. As things stand, however, it seems to me that Mr Rowland caught simultaneous sight of two members of the assassination team, both non-employees of the Depository.

Alan, I think we are much closer in thoughts than it might appear. When I first started looking at the Chicken lunch story many years ago I had no idea where it would lead. The assembled evidence clearly failEd to support the official narrative. We have employees changing significant events over time, there can be no debate that they did, it’s in the record. The closest I can come to the lone nut version is that Williams was encouraged by Oswald to vacate the sixth floor a few minutes before the shots. If this were the case one must ask, why didn’t Williams convey to this fact to the police on the afternoon of the assassination. He knew Oswald was in custody and was questioned about him. At that point he becomes the star prosecution witness. 

[Martin Weidmann]

Alan, I think we are much closer in thoughts than it might appear. When I first started looking at the Chicken lunch story many years ago I had no idea where it would lead. The assembled evidence clearly failEd to support the official narrative. We have employees changing significant events over time, there can be no debate that they did, it’s in the record. The closest I can come to the lone nut version is that Williams was encouraged by Oswald to vacate the sixth floor a few minutes before the shots. If this were the case one must ask, why didn’t Williams convey to this fact to the police on the afternoon of the assassination. He knew Oswald was in custody and was questioned about him. At that point he becomes the star prosecution witness.

Unless it was somebody else who encouraged Williams to leave, in which case he becomes a prime target.

[Alan Ford]

Alan, I think we are much closer in thoughts than it might appear. When I first started looking at the Chicken lunch story many years ago I had no idea where it would lead. The assembled evidence clearly failEd to support the official narrative. We have employees changing significant events over time, there can be no debate that they did, it’s in the record. The closest I can come to the lone nut version is that Williams was encouraged by Oswald to vacate the sixth floor a few minutes before the shots. If this were the case one must ask, why didn’t Williams convey to this fact to the police on the afternoon of the assassination. He knew Oswald was in custody and was questioned about him. At that point he becomes the star prosecution witness.

Well argued, Mr Crow---------and this makes it seem highly unlikely IMO that Mr Williams was part of the conspiracy. He could have fed Mr Oswald to the lions with a contrived story, such as.... 'Oswald was real unfriendly as usual, so when I heard Junior & Harold arrive down below I decided to join them.' But no, he gives the WC nothing in that line.

Bottom line! Anyone apart from Mr Oswald up on the sixth floor up to very shortly before the motorcade is a disaster for the official story. And that this anyone is seen simultaneously with a man holding a rifle only adds compound interest to said disaster!

[Alan Ford]

Unless it was somebody else who encouraged Williams to leave, in which case he becomes a prime target.

Exactly!  The only real point of disagreement we all have here is the when of Mr Williams' being asked to leave the sixth floor---------I put it upon his arrival there (most likely the person 'encouraging' him to go back down is positioned near the stairway/elevators); others put it later.

[Colin Crow]

Well argued, Mr Crow---------and this makes it seem highly unlikely IMO that Mr Williams was part of the conspiracy. He could have fed Mr Oswald to the lions with a contrived story, such as.... 'Oswald was real unfriendly as usual, so when I heard Junior & Harold arrive down below I decided to join them.' But no, he gives the WC nothing in that line.

Bottom line! Anyone apart from Mr Oswald up on the sixth floor up to very shortly before the motorcade is a disaster for the official story. And that this anyone is seen simultaneously with a man holding a rifle only adds compound interest to said disaster!

Here we agree entirely. It was not Oswald who "encouraged" Williams to leave the sixth floor. It seems we now have opened other possibilities. Did Williams go to the 6th floor with his lunch after noon at all? He certainly didn’t mention that on the afternoon of the assassination. Why might he fail to remember that important detail and yet the very next day he recalled venturing to the 6th floor albeit momentarily?

[Alan Ford]

Here we agree entirely. It was not Oswald who "encouraged" Williams to leave the sixth floor. It seems we now have opened other possibilities. Did Williams go to the 6th floor with his lunch after noon at all? He certainly didn’t mention that on the afternoon of the assassination. Why might he fail to remember that important detail and yet the very next day he recalled venturing to the 6th floor albeit momentarily?

Excellent question, Mr Crow!

Perhaps Mr Williams told the 'investigating' authorities how he was not allowed on to the sixth floor, and they leaned on him to pretend he had actually managed to spend at least some time up there? They badly needed to scotch any unhelpful claims/rumors of an alien presence up there shortly before the motorcade. Otherwise pinning the crime on Mr Oswald as a lone actor would become impossible.

[Colin Crow]

Excellent question, Mr Crow!

Perhaps Mr Williams told the 'investigating' authorities how he was not allowed on to the sixth floor, and they leaned on him to pretend he had actually managed to spend at least some time up there? They badly needed to scotch any unhelpful claims/rumors of an alien presence up there shortly before the motorcade. Otherwise pinning the crime on Mr Oswald as a lone actor would become impossible.

Maybe we can conduct an exercise to establish common ground and see what can be concluded. I would include Dan in this (and anyone else who would like to participate rationally).

First question, were remnants of a lunch, an empty Dr Pepper bottle, chicken bones, including an unfinished piece, a lunch sack and Doritos bag found on the sixth floor by police about half an hour after the shots?