If Oswald Was The Assassin, Did He Plan His Escape From The TSBD Very Well?


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Offline Thomas Graves

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What about the time between the assassination and the encounter with Baker? This is more important, right? In order to believe the lone nut fiction, we have to believe that LHO fired his final shot, hid the rifle, and descended the stairs in time to meet Baker. We have to ignore some cogent eyewitness testimony to believe any of this. Tommy's unfounded speculation that Oswald may have bought the Coke before the assassination to enhance a pre-ordained alibi seems beyond ludicrous. The truth is, there's limited compelling evidence regarding Oswald's movements. Are we also going to call Roger Craig a liar when he reported seeing Oswald coming down the hill on Elm St and entering a Rambler? Why is this ignored? Easy answer: it doesn't fit with a scenario framing Oswald. The selective amnesia of the lone nutters destroys their credibility.
 

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Five?

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Offline Paul May

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What specific "history" that day or any other day are you referring to?

His leaving the dough and the ring at Ruthie's?

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1963 was a very difficult year for Oswald. He couldnít get and hold a job. Marina didnít want him any longer. He bought weapons. He attempted to kill Walker. The Navy refused his request to over turn his undesirable discharge. He was living alone in a boarding house. His leaving $ and his wedding ring at Marinaís home was what investigators call ďconsciousness of guiltĒ; his behavior before and after the crime itself. Oswald had failed at virtually everything he attempted in 1963. At 24 years old, he had little left. He wanted to make an impact....some how, some way. Those who knew Oswald claim he liked JFK on a personal level. Iím not disputing that. Yet, he believed the American government was a blight on the working class and its Cuban policy archaic. Personally, I donít believe Oswald was shooting at JFK as an individual. He shot the POTUS and all that position represented to the world.

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1963 was a very difficult year for Oswald. He couldnít get and hold a job. Marina didnít want him any longer. He bought weapons. He attempted to kill Walker. The Navy refused his request to over turn his undesirable discharge. He was living alone in a boarding house. His leaving $ and his wedding ring at Marinaís home was what investigators call ďconsciousness of guiltĒ; his behavior before and after the crime itself. Oswald had failed at virtually everything he attempted in 1963. At 24 years old, he had little left. He wanted to make an impact....some how, some way. Those who knew Oswald claim he liked JFK on a personal level. Iím not disputing that. Yet, he believed the American government was a blight on the working class and its Cuban policy archaic. Personally, I donít believe Oswald was shooting at JFK as an individual. He shot the POTUS and all that position represented to the world.

Works for me, especially if you were to add the bit about his getting turned onto Marxism as a young lad by a "Justice For The Rosenbergs!" pamphlet he was given by an elderly woman on a NYC sidewalk.

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Offline Bill Chapman

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How do you know he didn't plan it out as best he could?

His escape from the building, that is?

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I can't see why he would need an elaborate plan. I think he expected to get caught. Resigned to his fate, he'd be pretty calm. And there's always a chance: Ditch the rifle, be cool, and let those he might encounter play their hand first.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2020, 05:55:21 PM by Bill Chapman »

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Tom, since 1964, historians, so called citizen investigators et all have torn apart each and every minuscule moment of the assassination EXCEPT who was Lee Harvey Oswald and what did he represent....in his own mind. History is littered with examples of Oswalds well before 1963. Yet, Oswald, as a human being, as a tormented soul is ignored by many conspiracy types who demand answers to questions 57 years after the assassination which theyíll never get. Simply read many of the threads on this forum. Shooting trajectories, SBT, the Texas theatre, Oswald in Russia, screwed up autopsy and the list goes on and on. CIA is often the most likely culprit per most CTís. Yet, nothing about Oswald indicates CIA involvement. In fact, was Oswald part of a nefarious CIA plot, then CIA was totally negligent. Oswald was seen the night of November 20th in a wash-o-rama doing his laundry. Seriously? Would CIA allow their assassin to be out in public 36 hours or so before the shooting where he could divulge the plan to any individual at all? Wouldnít CIA have him in a safe house under guard? The point being, we will NEVER know any more about the event than we know today. Yet, the very same arguments rage today as they did 50+ years ago. Bizarre. Iíve spoken at venues nationally about the assassination throughout the years. The question Iím most frequently asked is: was JFK killed in a conspiracy? My response is no different today than 40-50 years ago. Iím 95% certain Oswald shot JFK all by himself. That being said, there may have been a conspiracy but I canít prove that nor can anybody else. Ever. History has spoken.

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I AM ASSUMING LHO FIRED SHOTS FROM THE 6TH FLOOR S/E WINDOW:
Regardless of the route he took or his state of mind you have to admit that he got downstairs pretty darned fast.  After the meeting with Baker and Truly, he exited the building with only 1 more person having a recollection of seeing him.  Pretty clear he didn't exit through the front door and that shows some reasoning on his part.  I believe he could have spent some time planning his escape and he could hardly have improved over what he did. 

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Offline Paul May

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I AM ASSUMING LHO FIRED SHOTS FROM THE 6TH FLOOR S/E WINDOW:
Regardless of the route he took or his state of mind you have to admit that he got downstairs pretty darned fast.  After the meeting with Baker and Truly, he exited the building with only 1 more person having a recollection of seeing him.  Pretty clear he didn't exit through the front door and that shows some reasoning on his part.  I believe he could have spent some time planning his escape and he could hardly have improved over what he did.

All likely and possible. My belief, and itís only a belief is Oswald expected to die that day. He made peace with Marina that morning and the $ and ring left with Marina was his goodbye.

Offline Thomas Graves

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Tom, since 1964, historians, so called citizen investigators et all have torn apart each and every minuscule moment of the assassination EXCEPT who was Lee Harvey Oswald and what did he represent....in his own mind. History is littered with examples of Oswalds well before 1963. Yet, Oswald, as a human being, as a tormented soul is ignored by many conspiracy types who demand answers to questions 57 years after the assassination which theyíll never get. Simply read many of the threads on this forum. Shooting trajectories, SBT, the Texas theatre, Oswald in Russia, screwed up autopsy and the list goes on and on. CIA is often the most likely culprit per most CTís. Yet, nothing about Oswald indicates CIA involvement. In fact, was Oswald part of a nefarious CIA plot, then CIA was totally negligent. Oswald was seen the night of November 20th in a wash-o-rama doing his laundry. Seriously? Would CIA allow their assassin to be out in public 36 hours or so before the shooting where he could divulge the plan to any individual at all? Wouldnít CIA have him in a safe house under guard? The point being, we will NEVER know any more about the event than we know today. Yet, the very same arguments rage today as they did 50+ years ago. Bizarre. Iíve spoken at venues nationally about the assassination throughout the years. The question Iím most frequently asked is: was JFK killed in a conspiracy? My response is no different today than 40-50 years ago. Iím 95% certain Oswald shot JFK all by himself. That being said, there may have been a conspiracy but I canít prove that nor can anybody else. Ever. History has spoken.

Paul,

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