I am not assuming that Shelley and Lovelady are lying, I am merely pointing out the fact that they are both lying. They both 'lie by omission' when they leave out going towards the railroad yard, walking up the dead-end street, waiting by the spur track, watching all the police activity, walking through the car park on the west side of the TSBD and entering through the side door of the shipping room. These actions form the majority of their account from the time of the last shot to the time they enter the TSBD and both men deliberately leave it out.
How do you know they
deliberately left it out?
Far more amazing than this is the lie they both construct for their WC testimony, again both men lying in exactly the same way although this time its a different type of lie. If you respond to this post John, and I doubt you will, I would like to hear from you, or from anyone on this forum, the reason you think both men deliberately and knowingly insist Gloria Calvery took 3 to 4 minutes to make her way to them even though she was running and even though someone mooching along at a leisurely, Oswald-like 3 mph can cover 132 ft in 30 seconds.
Wait. So you know that they are lying because you somehow know how long it took Calvery to get there, because you know that’s her in Couch? Nice circular argument. What if that’s not Calvery?
Everyone has opinions about who these blobs are. Some people insist that your Lovelady is actually Molina and that Lovelady is already on his way up the Elm extension.
John, I was really put out when someone who I regard as a senior figure in this area of study was so dismissive of my attempts without reason (reply #749), I came back with a solid case for the identification of Calvery in the Larsen/Graves Gif which you then blanked. I now regard this identification of Calvery no longer as compelling. It's solid. This is confirmed by the embarrassingly weak critique you have posted and, unlike you, I will have the decency to respond to it.
I responded. I gave you a list of discrepancies to your “solid case”.
If they left the steps together, then why are the guy you think is Lovelady and the guy you think is Shelley not both on the steps?
I'm pointing out irrefutable examples of Shelley and Lovelady deliberately deceiving the authorities, deliberately twisting the truth of what happened that day and this is your lead question?? Okay. Nowhere does it state Shelley was on the steps when Calvery came running up to them.
You missed the point. In the film clip, your “Lovelady” is still on the steps and your “Shelley” is not. However, Lovelady testified:
Mr. BALL - First of all, let's get you to tell us
whom you left the steps with.
Mr. LOVELADY - Mr. Shelley.
Altgens 6 shows the position on the steps of a white male with a receding hairline identified as Lovelady. Approximately 30 seconds later the Larsen/Graves Gif shows exactly the same thing.
Except for the small detail that this hasn’t been demonstrated to be Lovelady.
In the quote you use Lovelady states that he was "near Mr. Shelley". It doesn't state Shelley was on the steps, why does Shelley need to be on the steps to be near Lovelady?
Because he said they left the steps together.
Shelley said he ran into Calvery across the street
You know as well as I do that in his WC testimony Shelley states the following:
Mr. SHELLEY - Gloria Calvary from South-Western Publishing Co. ran back up there crying and said "The President has been shot" and Billy Lovelady and myself took off across the street to that little, old island and we stopped there for a minute.
So which one is correct? I would argue that his Nov 22 recollection is more solid than his recollection 6 months later.
Everybody knows you know this. Everybody knows you are aware that Shelley makes it absolutely clear in his WC testimony that Calvery runs up to them at the steps and then he and Lovelady run over to the "little, old island" (I love it that they both use exactly this same phrase in their testimonies as if it wasn't clear already they'd got their story straight).
Exactly why you shouldn’t rely on it.
This is what we see in the L/G Gif, Shelley at the steps when Calvery arrives. His point about meeting Calvery across the street in his affidavit can be discarded as can his assertion he immediately ran back into the building and phoned his wife. That you would bring this up when you know it is refuted in the WC testimony is beyond desperate.
Except you haven’t actually proven this is Calvery, or the time period in question.
We don’t know what Calvery was wearing that day
When I first read this point my cheeks reddened with embarrassment for you. You've obviously rolled out the big guns with the first two points of your devastating critique and now we're at the padding. In fact it's cruel to continue this dissection of your post (Anyone standing along that section of Elm would be “close enough to see the blood -
??).
Is this rhetoric supposed to actually address the objection?
The identification of Calvery in the L/G Gif stands.
“Stands”, how exactly?
The Gif captures the moment the distraught Calvery encounters Lovelady on the steps with Shelley nearby. We can time this moment 20-30 seconds after the final shot (more than enough time for Calvery to run the distance. 3 to 4 minutes!! Please).
This is just a restatement of your claim. You don’t know how much time elapsed before Calvery started running, nor do you even know where she was standing. You just decided it took her 20-30 seconds and that Lovelady and Shelley lied about it all based on an unproven claim that a black-scarved blob is Calvery telling another blob you’ve decided is Lovelady about the shooting.