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Online John Mytton

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #175 on: June 13, 2020, 08:52:48 AM »
As late as November 29th......

On the 23rd, Roy Truly who actually knew Oswald tells us that he encountered Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom. Oops!



 The fact that an innocent civilian who personally new Oswald and a Police Officer, respectively Truly and Baker both testified to the fact that they saw Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom a couple of minutes after the assassination, really puts the kibosh on the Oswald in the doorway malarkey and as if this wasn't enough we have another innocent civilian Mrs Reid who came from the other direction and she instantly recognises Oswald coming in through the back office door and passing by her about two minutes after the last shot, which 100% corroborates Baker and Truly. see diagram below

Mr. BELIN. What did you see?
Mr. TRULY. I saw the officer almost directly in the doorway of the lunch-room facing Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. BELIN. And where was Lee Harvey Oswald at the time you saw him?
Mr. TRULY. He was at the front of the lunchroom, not very far inside he was just inside the lunchroom door.

Representative BOGGS -He came up to you?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; and when I hollered at him he turned around and walked back to me.
Representative BOGGS -Right close to you?
Mr. BAKER - And we were right here at this position 24, right here in this doorway.
Representative BOGGS -Right. What did you say to him?
Mr. BAKER - I didn't get anything out of him. Mr. Truly had come up to my side here, and I turned to Mr. Truly and I says, "Do you know this man, does he work here?" And he said yes, and I turned immediately and went on out up the stairs.
Mr. BELIN - Then you continued up the stairway?
Representative BOGGS -Let me ask one other question. You later, when you recognized this man as Lee Oswald, is that right, saw pictures of him?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir. I had occasion to see him in the homicide office later that evening after we got through with Parkland Hospital and then Love Field and we went back to the City Hall and I went up there and made this affidavit.
Representative BOGGS -After he had been arrested?
Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. And then what did you do?
Mrs. REID. Well, I kept walking and I looked up and Oswald was coming in the back door of the office. I met him by the time I passed my desk several feet and I told him, I said, "Oh, the President has been shot, but maybe they didn't hit him."
He mumbled something to me, I kept walking, he did, too. I didn't pay any attention to what he said because I had no thoughts of anything of him having any connection with it at all because he was very calm. He had gotten a coke and was holding it in his hands and I guess the reason it impressed me seeing him in there I thought it was a little strange that one of -the warehouse boys would be up in the office at the time, not that he had done anything wrong. The only time I had seen him in the office was to come and get change and he already had his coke in his hand so he didn't come for change and I dismissed him. I didn't think anything else.
Mr. BELIN. When you saw him, I believe you said you first saw him when he was coming through the door?
Mrs. REID. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Turning to Exhibit 497, what doorway was it where you first saw him?
Mrs. REID. Right here.
Mr. BELIN. You are pointing to the doorway between numbers 27 and 28?
Mrs. REID. That is right.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember how long by the stopwatch it took you?
Mrs. REID. Approximately 2 minutes.
Mr. DULLES. I didn't hear you.
Mrs. REID. Two minutes.
Mr. BELIN. From the time of the last shot the time you and Oswald crossed?
Mrs. REID. Yes; I believe that is the way we timed it.




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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #176 on: June 13, 2020, 02:55:13 PM »
On November 22, Marion Baker tells us that he encountered a man on the third or fourth floor. Nothing about a lunchroom.


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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #177 on: June 13, 2020, 06:13:20 PM »
On November 22, Marion Baker tells us that he encountered a man on the third or fourth floor. Nothing about a lunchroom.



Thaks John, yeah, the Oswald encounter as confirmed by Truly and supported by Baker's physical description happened deep inside the building which obviously was not near the front door.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #178 on: June 13, 2020, 08:42:11 PM »
Even in that "bulky" brown shirt instead of who Baker actually encountered wearing a, quoting from his same day affidavit, "a brown jacket", the wrongly accused wouldn't have added over 35lbs to his obvious thin-frame in spite of that "bulky" shirt. Most of us actually see the shirt wearing him.

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #179 on: June 13, 2020, 08:56:16 PM »
Even in that "bulky" brown shirt instead of who Baker actually encountered wearing a, quoting from his same day affidavit, "a brown jacket", the wrongly accused woulldn't have added over 35lbs in spite of that "bulky" shirt. Most of us actually see the shirt wearing him.

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Even in that "bulky" brown shirt instead of who Baker actually encountered wearing a, quoting from his same day affidavit, "a brown jacket"

Alan, there is nothing to argue, Truly saw the EXACT same man and said it was Oswald. Case closed!

And Not this brown shirt/jacket BS again, where are your deductive reasoning skills?, Baker saw Oswald for a few seconds in overwhelming circumstances and was told that the man was an employee so therefore had no reason to commit every insignificant detail to memory.

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the wrongly accused woulldn't have added over 35lbs in spite of that "bulky" shirt. Most of us actually see the shirt wearing him.

An unbiased trained professional expert who actually saw Oswald and didn't have to guess from pictures estimated Oswald's weight to be about 150. Try again!



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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #180 on: June 13, 2020, 09:17:48 PM »
A trained professional expert who actually saw Oswald and didn't have to guess from pictures estimated Oswald's weight to be about 150. Try again!

Where in the documentation you shared does it say the body was actually weighed? The reason I ask is people handling deceased bodies have shared that a body appears heavier due to bloating. Again, please share documentation where it states the decedent was actually weighed so we can remove any question of it actually happening as oppose to someone simply reading from an ID, etc. Thank you in advance.

Lest any of us forget, even at that 150lbs it still refutes who Baker actually encountered (not by a give or take 5lbs here or there, but by a whole 15lbs.
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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #181 on: June 13, 2020, 09:34:55 PM »
A trained professional expert who actually saw Oswald and didn't have to guess from pictures estimated Oswald's weight to be about 150. Try again!

Where in the documentation you shared does it say the body was actually weighed? The reason I ask is people handling deceased bodies have shared that a body appears heavier due to bloating. Again, please share documentation where it states the decedent was actually weighed so we can remove any question of it actually happening as oppose to someone simply reading from an ID, etc. Thank you in advance.

Lest any of us forget, even at that 150lbs it still refutes who Baker actually encountered (not by a give or take 5lbs here or there, but by a whole 15lbs.

We're making positive progress as we go from 35 pounds down to a mere 15 pounds, on an inconsequential employee who was fully clothed and glimpsed for mere seconds.

Btw where does all this history revisionism go, why is it so important to you to deny the lunchroom encounter, what are you trying to prove?

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