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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #154 on: May 26, 2020, 10:06:42 PM »
Hahahaha, that's absolutely hilarious, ye cannae change the laws of physics. Lovelady, Frazier and Shelley who were all on the outside steps all agree that they were outside.

Mr. BALL - Did you eat your lunch?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; not right then I didn't. I say, you know, he was supposed to come by during our lunch hour so you don't get very many chances to see the President of the United States and being an old Texas boy, and [he] never having been down to Texas very much I went out there to see him and just like everybody else was, I was standing on the steps there and watched for the parade to come by and so I did and I stood there until he come by.

Mr. LOVELADY - That's on the second floor; so, I started going to the domino room where I generally went in to set down and eat and nobody was there and I happened to look on the outside and Mr. Shelley was standing outside with Miss Sarah Stanton, I believe her name is, and I said, "Well, I'll go out there and talk with them, sit down and eat my lunch out there, set on the steps," so I went out there.

Mr. BALL - You were standing where?
Mr. SHELLEY - Just outside the glass doors there.
Mr. BALL - That would be on the top landing of the entrance?
Mr. SHELLEY - yes.


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And Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he went "outside" too. Read for yourself--------------------



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As for 'in the building'...

Mr Oswald is giving a curt reply to the latest question being fired at him. His tone is one of exasperation (of course I was there------it's where I work).

If someone were to ask, say, Mr Joe Molina or Ms Pauline Saunders, 'Where in the building were you when the President passed?', they might very naturally reply, 'Why, I was standing on the front steps'. What they won't do is correct the questioner's wording. Because there really is nothing to correct: that enclosed front entrance is in the building. It's certainly not part of the street!

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Online John Mytton

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #155 on: May 26, 2020, 10:29:02 PM »
And Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he went "outside" too. Read for yourself--------------------



Perfectly clear! 

As for 'in the building'...

If someone were to ask, say, Mr Joe Molina or Ms Pauline Saunders, 'Where in the building were you when the President passed?', they might very naturally reply, 'Why, I was standing on the front steps '. What they won't do is correct the questioner's wording. Because there really is nothing to correct: that enclosed front entrance is in the building. It's certainly not part of the street!


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And Mr Oswald told Captain Fritz he went "outside" too.

Oswald had to have left the building and be "outside" or how else would he be able to be in flight mode catching buses and cabs. Doh!

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Perfectly clear! 

Yeah, as clear as mud.

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As for 'in the building'...

If someone were to ask, say, Mr Joe Molina or Ms Pauline Saunders, 'Where in the building were you when the President passed?', they might very naturally reply, 'Why, I was standing on the front steps '. What they won't do is correct the questioner's wording. Because there really is nothing to correct: that enclosed front entrance is in the building. It's certainly not part of the street!

No, Molina and Saunders, just like Lovelady, Shelley and Frazier who were all on the same front steps would all say, just like their respective testimonies, that they were outside, not inside. There's a reason they're called front steps, that's because by definition they're out front.

Oswald said he was in the building and that's that and as I previously said if he had this rock solid alibi, then we wouldn't be here.

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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #156 on: May 26, 2020, 10:37:41 PM »
Oswald had to have left the building and be "outside" or how else would he be able to be in flight mode catching buses and cabs. Doh!

 :D "Then went outside to watch the P. parade." Doh!

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No, Molina and Saunders, just like Lovelady, Shelley and Frazier who were all on the same steps would all say, just like their respective testimonies, that they were outside, not inside.

But the reporter never used the word "inside"!  Thumb1:

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There's a reason they're called front steps, that's because by definition they're out front as the name strongly implies.

Yes, but they belong to the building and are enclosed!  Thumb1:

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Oswald said he was in the building and that's that

Except it's not: He also said he "went outside to watch the P. parade"!  Thumb1:

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and as I previously said if he had this rock solid alibi, then we wouldn't be here.

It's because you & your buddies have had 56 years of trying but failing to convincingly get him up on the sixth floor that we're here!  Thumb1:

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #157 on: May 26, 2020, 10:50:30 PM »

He also said he "went outside to watch the P. parade"!  Thumb1:


Yes, and as you have been told, the interrogation notes in black and white definitely say that Oswald went outside AFTER he encountered Truly and Baker.
Oswald "went outside to watch the P.parade" but just missed seeing Kennedy, so what's the problem?

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #158 on: May 26, 2020, 10:58:40 PM »
Yes, and as you have been told, the interrogation notes in black and white definitely say that Oswald went outside AFTER he encountered Truly and Baker.

Yes, they definitely do say that-------------



------------but only after they have been put through the Soopah-Doopah-Mytton-Translation-Machine:D

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #159 on: May 26, 2020, 11:10:36 PM »
Yes, they definitely do say that-------------



------------but only after they have been put through the Soopah-Doopah-Mytton-Translation-Machine:D

Huh, how does that even begin to refute the notes I presented?

"the interrogation notes in black and white definitely say that Oswald went outside AFTER he encountered Truly and Baker."





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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: Then went outside to watch P. parade
« Reply #160 on: May 26, 2020, 11:26:06 PM »
Huh, how does that even begin to refute the notes I presented?

Because there is no mention of any encounter with an officer & Mr Truly either in the draft report written by Agent Hosty-------------



-----------or in the joint report written by Agents Hosty and Bookhout-------------



The chronology is as follows:

1. Agent Hosty's draft report is written
2. Agents Hosty & Bookhout's joint report is written
3. Agent Bookhout's solo report is written.

The progression from 1 through 2 to 3 is as follows:

1. Mr Oswald's claimed alibi is straightforwardly recorded (with no mention of any lunchroom encounter)
2. Mr Oswald's claimed alibi is changed from "outside" to "on the first floor" (with no mention of any lunchroom encounter)
3. Mr Oswald's claimed alibi is buried (with the introduction of a lunchroom encounter that alters the timeframe of Mr Oswald's going outside)

Now, Mr Mytton! You never did answer my question: When do you think Captain Fritz wrote the interrogation notes you have been citing?

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