The real 6th floor shooter - what chance of escape?

[Martin Weidmann]

The Daltex shooter's bullets would not be matched to Oswald's Carcano rifle. This would have revealed a conspiracy and Oswald could not be blamed as the sole assassin.

Unless the conspirators also controlled the cover up, in which case they would simply switch the shells. Who knows, perhaps they even did. There is a report that says Fritz picked up the shells and they were later thrown back into the snipers nest. Where they the same shells? Ever thought of that, genius?

[Ross Lidell]

This opening thread is moronic.

Victoria Adams & Sandra Styles didn't see or hear Oswald on the stairs. Now what?

Victoria Adams & Sandra Styles didn't see or hear Oswald on the stairs. Now what?

The Adams & Sandra Styles "didn't see or hear Oswald on the stairs" excuse was designed to try and prove Lee Harvey was not on the 6th floor at the time the assassination shots were fired. No believer in this "theory" ever explained how Adams & Styles failed to see the escaping real 6th floor shooter. Maybe you can explain how Mr hit-man was not seen by the women, considering the same time constraints would apply to him as well as Oswald. Now what?

[Ross Lidell]

Way too many assumptions as a starting point.

It assumes the rifle found at the TSBD belonged to Oswald and that shots were indeed fired from the 6th floor.

It also assumes that another killer would have needed to come down the stairs that Baker and Truly were on.

It assumes that no professional hit-man would accept a contract to assassinate President Kennedy.

And it assumes that Baker would have seen the real shooter on the 6th floor.

With all these assumptions the entire thing has become an insignificant hypothetical scenario with a pre-determined conclusion build in.

And worst of all, it completely ignores other possibilities like this one; even if we assume Kennedy's killer did shoot from the 6th floor. Why would he do the obvious and instantly flee the building, when he also can hide and mingle with the crowd that he could reasonably assume would invade the building. All he needed to do is dress like a police officer, have a fake or perhaps even a real badge and act like a cop. With so many people around who did not belong in the building he would not stand out. All he needed to do is make his way down the stairs when the cops are upstairs and simply walk out of the building.

Now, you tell, as I am sure you will, why such a scenario wouldn't work?

And worst of all, it completely ignores other possibilities like this one; even if we assume Kennedy's killer did shoot from the 6th floor. Why would he do the obvious and instantly flee the building, when he also can hide and mingle with the crowd that he could reasonably assume would invade the building. All he needed to do is dress like a police officer, have a fake or perhaps even a real badge and act like a cop. With so many people around who did not belong in the building he would not stand out. All he needed to do is make his way down the stairs when the cops are upstairs and simply walk out of the building.

Way too many assumptions.

Incidentally: What you describe never happened.

[Gerry Down]

Unless the conspirators also controlled the cover up, in which case they would simply switch the shells. Who knows, perhaps they even did. There is a report that says Fritz picked up the shells and they were later thrown back into the snipers nest. Where they the same shells? Ever thought of that, genius?

You think Fritz might have been the assassin in the DalTex building?

[Ross Lidell]

Unless the conspirators also controlled the cover up, in which case they would simply switch the shells. Who knows, perhaps they even did. There is a report that says Fritz picked up the shells and they were later thrown back into the snipers nest. Where they the same shells? Ever thought of that, genius?

There is a report that says Fritz picked up the shells and they were later thrown back into the snipers nest. Where they the same shells? Ever thought of that, genius?

I was talking about the bullets (projectiles) and they were not found at the TSBD. This renders your theory--nonsense.

[Robert Reeves]

Victoria Adams & Sandra Styles didn't see or hear Oswald on the stairs. Now what?

The Adams & Sandra Styles "didn't see or hear Oswald on the stairs" excuse was designed to try and prove Lee Harvey was not on the 6th floor at the time the assassination shots were fired. No believer in this "theory" ever explained how Adams & Styles failed to see the escaping real 6th floor shooter. Maybe you can explain how Mr hit-man was not seen by the women, considering the same time constraints would apply to him as well as Oswald. Now what?

You claim There was a 6th floor TSBD shooter. And ''Baker found Oswald in the 2nd floor lunch room. Reconstructions have demonstrated that its possible to get from the 6th floor sniper's nest to the 2nd floor lunch room in less than 90 seconds.''

Yet witnesses claim to have not seen or heard anyone on the stairs during the timings you cite. So are we just conveniently ignoring these witnesses for our personal assassination beliefs?

Now what?

[Martin Weidmann]

Then the assassin should have used some type of frangible round. Some type of modified carcano bullets that would disintegrate on impact. Remember, the Walker bullet could not be traced to Oswalds rifle. So technically, such a feat could have been achieved (theoretically speaking of course).

No bullet was ever traced to the MC rifle, except of course CE399 but that his it's own problems.

Of the three bullets fired at the car, one missed and was lost, the second exploded in Kennedy's head and the third one was allegedly CE399, despite the fact that the bullet fragments recovered at Parkland combined with those still left in Connally's body were more than the damage to CE399.

Other fragments of bullets were allegedly found in the limo, but this we will also never know for sure, because when the FBI Forensic team arrived at the Secret Service garage to examine the limo, they were told it had already been done and they were given some bullet fragments that supposedly came from the car.

The only match there could have been was with the shells found at the 6th floor, and they also have their own problems.....

But I'm sure none of this will stop Ross from repeating his arguments.

[Ross Lidell]

Way too many assumptions as a starting point.

It assumes the rifle found at the TSBD belonged to Oswald and that shots were indeed fired from the 6th floor.

It also assumes that another killer would have needed to come down the stairs that Baker and Truly were on.

It assumes that no professional hit-man would accept a contract to assassinate President Kennedy.

And it assumes that Baker would have seen the real shooter on the 6th floor.

With all these assumptions the entire thing has become an insignificant hypothetical scenario with a pre-determined conclusion build in.

And worst of all, it completely ignores other possibilities like this one; even if we assume Kennedy's killer did shoot from the 6th floor. Why would he do the obvious and instantly flee the building, when he also can hide and mingle with the crowd that he could reasonably assume would invade the building. All he needed to do is dress like a police officer, have a fake or perhaps even a real badge and act like a cop. With so many people around who did not belong in the building he would not stand out. All he needed to do is make his way down the stairs when the cops are upstairs and simply walk out of the building.

Now, you tell, as I am sure you will, why such a scenario wouldn't work?

You have not explained away the need for the TSBD to be "secured" by the conspirators before and during the assassination.

You have not explained away the need for Oswald to be restrained (by the conspirators) before and during the assassination.

Oswald cannot be permitted to be free to come and go lest he walk outside to look at the motorcade or someone comes inside just before the shots were fired and sees him. Lee Oswald (the patsy) cannot be permitted to have an iron-clad alibi.