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Offline Dan DAlimonte

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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2018, 11:34:40 PM »
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Why would he think he was being set up?....He thought the whole thing was a hoax similar to the Walker hoax....and it would appear that he had taken a potshot at JFK which he thought would get him welcomed to Cuba....

And it would never have dawned on the impressionable Oswald that his handlers would really
kill Kennedy and he would be blamed for it? 

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2018, 11:44:38 PM »
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And it would never have dawned on the impressionable Oswald that his handlers would really
kill Kennedy and he would be blamed for it?

He had been reassured that the FBI were well aware of the plots afoot to assassinate JFK...and they had everything under control....  He was being reassured by the very people who were stting him up....

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2018, 11:52:57 PM »
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He had been reassured that the FBI were well aware of the plots afoot to assassinate JFK...and they had everything under control....  He was being reassured by the very people who were stting him up....

And when he came face to face with Hosty he complained about the former
accosting his wife and says nothing on how his department set him up for killing Kennedy?

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2018, 11:57:15 PM »
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Dan,

Why first assume that there was in fact (still or ever) a rifle in Ruth Paine's garage?

Other than that, I agree that Oswald leaving the TSBD so quickly is troublesome and does not bode well for him being an innocent bystander.

Hey, Martin.  I was replying to Walt's comment but I forgot he believes Oswald did
take the rifle for a hoax shot towards Kennedy.

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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #14 on: February 14, 2018, 03:08:09 AM »
Dan I will lay out what I think as best I can.

Oswaldís involvement is indicated by his leaving the building and showing no interest in the motorcade. His acquisition of a revolver etc...

Do I believe the BY photos are faked.....no.

Do I believe the rifle was in his possession..yes

Was he involved in the Walker "shooting".....yes

Was he aware of some sort of "attempt" on 11/22/63......likely


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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2018, 03:27:45 AM »
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Dan I will lay out what I think as best I can.

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Was he involved in the Walker "shooting".....yes

Was he aware of some sort of "attempt" on 11/22/63......likely
Colin, you strongly suspect the reported incident at Edwin Walker's residence was staged (as described by Walker to police)
or some other sort of deception and Oswald was acting on instructions or an understanding with one or more others, (related to
a planned presidential assassination or assassination themed incident) insofar as he his presence at the TSBD at 12:30 pm on 22 November?

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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2018, 03:41:57 AM »
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Colin, you strongly suspect the reported incident at Edwin Walker's residence was staged (as described by Walker to police)
or some other sort of deception and Oswald was acting on instructions or an understanding with one or more others, (related to
a planned presidential assassination or assassination themed incident) insofar as he his presence at the TSBD at 12:30 pm on 22 November?

I donít believe the Walker incident and JFK assassination were linked at the time of the Walker incident, if that makes sense.

However I think the Walker incident was useful/used in November. Ie the weapon's link to Oswald etc.

Not sure if I am explaining well enough.

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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2018, 03:58:36 AM »
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I donít believe the Walker incident and JFK assassination were linked at the time of the Walker incident, if that makes sense.

However I think the Walker incident was useful/used in November. Ie the weapon's link to Oswald etc.

Not sure if I am explaining well enough.

Ironically, it would probably be less difficult to convey your opinion on these particular controversies if you were replying to readers
less informed about the WC findings than those you anticipate might reply to you on this forum.

I assume you are saying the Walker shooting was likely a one off assault on Walker by Oswald but was later employed as a device to
paint Oswald as not only a returned defector to the Soviet Union, but one with exhibited murderous tendencies with the very rifle
produced by DPD in the BYP and "found" by DPD, a constable, a Fish N Game, and Deputy sheriffs in the vicinity of the alleged sniper's nest.

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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2018, 04:57:35 AM »
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Ironically, it would probably be less difficult to convey your opinion on these particular controversies if you were replying to readers
less informed about the WC findings than those you anticipate might reply to you on this forum.

I assume you are saying the Walker shooting was likely a one off assault on Walker by Oswald but was later employed as a device to
paint Oswald as not only a returned defector to the Soviet Union, but one with exhibited murderous tendencies with the very rifle
produced by DPD in the BYP and "found" by DPD, a constable, a Fish N Game, and Deputy sheriffs in the vicinity of the alleged sniper's nest.


Geez, Iím sorry Tom, really busy day at work. Also my vagueness is part,y due to the partially complete canvass that exists in my mind largely based upon many unproven/non-verifiable assumptions.

I will have a go again......


I think Oswald was essentially used as "flypaper" by one or more intelligence agencies. This could well be unknowingly or a witting participant. In any event he was low-level and relatively unskilled. I have no doubt he was part of a false defector scheme to the USSR. Once his usefulness was exhausted or he grew tired he was allowed to return home. I think his move from Ft Worth to Dallas was encouraged and his interest in Cuba "developed". I find his employment at CJS to be interesting at the time they were doing work for the AMS and he had a Russian interested co-employee (Ofstein). Certainly there was lying going on about his performance as he worked overtime more often than not according to the records. Yet his workmate and boss claimed he hardly ever worked any.

The Walker incident led to his move to New Orleans and increased his Cuban activities. This at a time when there was much intelligence agency interest in the FPCC. His move back to Dallas happened To coincide with William Lowery being unable to continue to be an asset to inform on the GI forum. Joe Molina was obviously a person of interest. So to me Oswald appears to be a useful asset to move around where required. Just so happened he finished up at the TSBD in October.


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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2018, 05:41:43 AM »
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Geez, Iím sorry Tom, really busy day at work. Also my vagueness is part,y due to the partially complete canvass that exists in my mind largely based upon many unproven/non-verifiable assumptions.

I will have a go again......


I think Oswald was essentially used as "flypaper" by one or more intelligence agencies. This could well be unknowingly or a witting participant. In any event he was low-level and relatively unskilled. I have no doubt he was part of a false defector scheme to the USSR. Once his usefulness was exhausted or he grew tired he was allowed to return home. I think his move from Ft Worth to Dallas was encouraged and his interest in Cuba "developed". I find his employment at CJS to be interesting at the time they were doing work for the AMS and he had a Russian interested co-employee (Ofstein). Certainly there was lying going on about his performance as he worked overtime more often than not according to the records. Yet his workmate and boss claimed he hardly ever worked any.

The Walker incident led to his move to New Orleans and increased his Cuban activities. This at a time when there was much intelligence agency interest in the FPCC. His move back to Dallas happened To coincide with William Lowery being unable to continue to be an asset to inform on the GI forum. Joe Molina was obviously a person of interest. So to me Oswald appears to be a useful asset to move around where required. Just so happened he finished up at the TSBD in October.

Now you have to come up with a story as to why a patsy would be needed in the first place, and what would be the point of then shooting from the front while placing Oswald to shoot from behind.

It seems to me critics have to keep trowling on yet more and more stories to explain such contradictions.
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