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Online Dan DAlimonte

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What is your best Oswald was involved, theory?
Btw ... that's ... INVOLVED.

Not that he was duped and Not that he was really there to protect the President.
INVOLVED.

Let the sound of crickets begin.


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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2018, 04:08:45 PM »
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What is your best Oswald was involved, theory?
Btw ... that's ... INVOLVED.

Not that he was duped and Not that he was really there to protect the President.
INVOLVED.

Let the sound of crickets begin.

Dan,

Opinions in this case are extremely polarized and have been for a long time. Meeting somebody half way implies that both parties shift towards the middle and a consensus. This is something I do not believe any LN will ever be prepared to do. In the time I have been active on this board, I have not seen one LN ever conceding anything, regardless of how silly their own position was. So, kudos if you can meet LNs more than half way, but I fear you'll be doing so without reciprocation.

As for Oswald, IMO it is highly unlikely, if not impossible, for him to have been an 100% innocent bystander who was framed. In other words, he must have been involved in something.... but what? That's the big question, as far as I am concerned, and I seriously doubt I will ever get an answer.

It's my opinion that there are too many variables and unknowns to ever really determine with any kind of certainty what really happened and what Oswald's role in it was. The man was and still is a complete mystery!

One thing is certain though, at least in my mind, and that is that there are too many evidentairy problems to simply accept as true the official narrative concocted by the WC and in that sense I don't think I will ever be able to meet the LNs (more than) half way without them doing the same...... and that IMO will only happen after Hell has frozen over twice.
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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2018, 04:24:01 PM »
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What is your best Oswald was involved, theory?
Btw ... that's ... INVOLVED.

Not that he was duped and Not that he was really there to protect the President.
INVOLVED.

Let the sound of crickets begin.

 Oswald set-up the Sniper's Nest/Nook. That was his Only designated function that day. He worked there, handled/moved boxes there, and could perform this task without drawing attention to his actions. He was instructed to wait inside the TSBD Breakroom for any further instructions that might be needed. Otherwise, he was supposed to stay at the TSBD and finish his work shift or depart if the workers were dismissed early due to the shooting. It is absurd to believe that Oswald descended the stairs, and after entering the vestibule, decided to turn Left and enter the Breakroom. After entering the vestibule, turning Right would have taken Oswald to a hallway which then would have led him Directly to a stairway going Down and Out of the TSBD.  Filling book orders inside the TSBD meant Oswald knew the lay-out of the TSBD like the back of his hand. There is No Way a shooter makes the choice to confine himself in a Breakroom or any 4 sided room for that matter. He stays on the Move seeking Escape. (The carcano was stolen from the Paine garage and planted at the TSBD) 

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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2018, 05:04:08 PM »
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Dan,

Opinions in this case are extremely polarized and have been for a long time. Meeting somebody half way implies that both parties shift towards the middle and a consensus. This is something I do not believe any LN will ever be prepared to do. In the time I have been active on this board, I have not seen one LN ever conceding anything, regardless of how silly their own position was.

As for Oswald, IMO it is highly unlikely, if not impossible, for him to have been an 100% innocent bystander who was framed. In other words, he must have been involved in something.... but what? That's the big question, as far as I am concerned, and I seriously doubt I will ever get an answer.

It's my opinion that there are too many variables and unknowns to ever really determine with any kind of certainty what really happened and what Oswald's role in it was. The man was and still is a complete mystery!

One thing is certain though, at least in my mind, and that is that there are too many evidentairy problems to simply accept as true the official narrative concocted by the WC and in that sense I don't think I will ever be able to meet the LNs (more than) half way without them doing the same...... and that IMO will only happen after Hell has frozen over twice.

he (Lee Oswald) must have been involved in something.... but what? That's the big question, as far as I am concerned, and I seriously doubt I will ever get an answer.

Perhaps since I've had the benefit ( or experience ) of being on the receiving end of an event that gave the illusion that I was guilty of some act when in reality I had no idea what was happening... I can visualize how Lee could have been duped by those he trusted.

It should be apparent to you that Lee was a bit "eccentric"....   He envisioned himself a being another "Herb Philbrick" an FBI agent who was a spy and led three lives...

what really happened and what Oswald's role in it was.

Since he thought ( dreamed ) that he was working for the FBI  ( or CIA ) the conspirators could manipulate him and trick him into playing a role that he thought was exciting and could elevate him to the hero like Herb Philbrick...Remember how he signed George De Morhenschildt's photo?   "Hunter of Fascists " .......  That was a role he was playing in April of 1963.....
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Re: Am I the only CT here who can meet the LN's more than half way? If not ...
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2018, 06:52:33 PM »
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Oswald set-up the Sniper's Nest/Nook. That was his Only designated function that day. He worked there, handled/moved boxes there, and could perform this task without drawing attention to his actions. He was instructed to wait inside the TSBD Breakroom for any further instructions that might be needed. Otherwise, he was supposed to stay at the TSBD and finish his work shift or depart if the workers were dismissed early due to the shooting.

You're doing the same thing the WC did.  Anyone can make up a narrative.  Proving that it happened that way is another matter...

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Remember how he signed George De Morhenschildt's photo?   "Hunter of Fascists "

I don't remember that.  Even the unscientific, subjective handwriting "analyzers" said that this part wasn't his handwriting.

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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2018, 09:51:19 PM »
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Oswald set-up the Sniper's Nest/Nook. That was his Only designated function that day. He worked there, handled/moved boxes there, and could perform this task without drawing attention to his actions. He was instructed to wait inside the TSBD Breakroom for any further instructions that might be needed. Otherwise, he was supposed to stay at the TSBD and finish his work shift or depart if the workers were dismissed early due to the shooting. It is absurd to believe that Oswald descended the stairs, and after entering the vestibule, decided to turn Left and enter the Breakroom. After entering the vestibule, turning Right would have taken Oswald to a hallway which then would have led him Directly to a stairway going Down and Out of the TSBD.  Filling book orders inside the TSBD meant Oswald knew the lay-out of the TSBD like the back of his hand. There is No Way a shooter makes the choice to confine himself in a Breakroom or any 4 sided room for that matter. He stays on the Move seeking Escape. (The carcano was stolen from the Paine garage and planted at the TSBD)

Hey, Martin.  Thanks for responding.  I know you have had many a heated argument with LN's since you were here but there are some who do admit there are some troublesome areas.  I don't want to mention their names but one is bothered as to how Oswald smuggled in the wrapping paper from the TSBD
when Frazier brought him home that Thursday.  In other words why not the question ... do you remember
if he was wearing a jacket that day and if so ... was it zipped up to the top.  Another when he was unaccounted for a short period of time between Tippit and the Texas Theater.  As for meeting the LN's halfway.  I don't know a better way to put it.  He was either a Patsy - involved with another or a team 
or - he acted alone.  If I can't accept the Patsy conclusion then what's left but to meet the LN's halfway?

This debate of the complete or partial guilt of Oswald as opposed to his complete innocence reminds me of the Creationists and Evolution argument.  The last groups state they have the theory which is backed up by science.  Not perfect but backed up by science. The former states that's it's said in a Holy Book with no way to measure the science of it.  Not yet anyway.  So who has to move to who?  Esp if I do believe there was some degree of guilt as far as Oswald is concerned.

Btw ... I agree with you, Hell may have to freeze over twice before we might even get an answer
In the meantime - and this is only my opinion - all we can do is state a plausible theory which meets
both groups in the middle.  If evidence was doctored or added there had to be a good reason for doing it.
One nut job Socialist would be no different than two.  If there were others there had to be a good reason why it would have appeared that one did it. 
     
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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2018, 11:13:54 PM »
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he (Lee Oswald) must have been involved in something.... but what? That's the big question, as far as I am concerned, and I seriously doubt I will ever get an answer.

Perhaps since I've had the benefit ( or experience ) of being on the receiving end of an event that gave the illusion that I was guilty of some act when in reality I had no idea what was happening... I can visualize how Lee could have been duped by those he trusted.

It should be apparent to you that Lee was a bit "eccentric"....   He envisioned himself a being another "Herb Philbrick" an FBI agent who was a spy and led three lives...

what really happened and what Oswald's role in it was.

Since he thought ( dreamed ) that he was working for the FBI  ( or CIA ) the conspirators could manipulate him and trick him into playing a role that he thought was exciting and could elevate him to the hero like Herb Philbrick...Remember how he signed George De Morhenschildt's photo?   "Hunter of Fascists " .......  That was a role he was playing in April of 1963.....

Hey, Walt.  If the impressionable Oswald came to realize that there was a possibility
he was being set up ... why not call home and ask his wife in Russian to go to the garage
and check if the rifle was still there?  If it wasn't, then he could have had the, Oh, F ...
moment and know it for sure.   For him to guess and then leave is hard for me to believe.   

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Hey, Walt.  If the impressionable Oswald came to realize that there was a possibility
he was being set up ... why not call home and ask his wife in Russian to go to the garage
and check if the rifle was still there?  If it wasn't, then he could have had the, Oh, F ...
moment and know it for sure.   For him to guess and then leave is hard for me to believe.

Dan,

Why first assume that there was in fact (still or ever) a rifle in Ruth Paine's garage?

Other than that, I agree that Oswald leaving the TSBD so quickly is troublesome and does not bode well for him being an innocent bystander.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2018, 11:22:45 PM »
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Hey, Walt.  If the impressionable Oswald came to realize that there was a possibility
he was being set up ... why not call home and ask his wife in Russian to go to the garage
and check if the rifle was still there?  If it wasn't, then he could have had the, Oh, F ...
moment and know it for sure.   For him to guess and then leave is hard for me to believe.

Why would he think he was being set up?....He thought the whole thing was a hoax similar to the Walker hoax....and it would appear that he had taken a potshot at JFK which he thought would get him welcomed to Cuba....

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