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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #80 on: March 25, 2020, 08:48:30 PM »
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If it's that easy to see what kind of a rifle it was, how did Boone and Weitzman not see it?
They were in the room at arm's length when it was found.

They both hand wrote reports saying it was a Mauser.
Then signed sworn notarized affidavits saying same.
In fact Weitzman signed an affidavit on the 23rd saying it was a Mauser.

The logical conclusion, IMO, if the film is so conclusive of a Carcano being found, is that there was a second rifle found that wasn't recorded on film. Or if it was,  that film was ghosted.

If it's that easy to see what kind of a rifle it was, how did Boone and Weitzman not see it?

It's very easy to see that the rifle was a Mannlicher Carcano...because we can use 20 /20 hindsight.... We have the ability to compare the Alyea film images against the pictures in gun books or on line gun websites.... But at the time the rifle was discovered hidden beneath the boxes of books nobody recognized the unusual rifle.  Weitzman made a WAG in attempting to identify the rifle but he was wrong.

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Online Mitch Todd

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« Reply #81 on: March 25, 2020, 10:31:19 PM »
You assume Craig was lying because you think the film contradicts his testimony. Instead you believe Fritz, Day and Weitzman and you think the film is gospel
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Originally Craig said that at the time that Fritz and Day were examining the rifle he saw the words "7.65 Mauser stamped right there on the barrel" 

Later when he was being question by the Newspaper reporter he said that the Mauser was found" LATER THAT AFTERNOON" on the roof of the TSBD.

I'm sure that even you can see the problem......   But I'll explain it for you...  If the Mauser wasn't found until after Craig left the TSBD at around 2:00 pm then he sure as hell couldn't have seen what he claimed he had seen.
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You need professional mental help Mr Trojan......
You have the timeline backwards, Walt. The "Mauser 7.65" claim didn't appear until 1973. It went like this:

Craig didn't mention the rifle at all in his 11/23/63 DCSD report. The rifle is also not mentioned in his 11/23/63 FBI interview.  In his WC testimony in the spring of '64, he testified to being present when the rifle was found, but nothing about its make or caliber. In his '68 LA Free Press interview, he said he didn't know what kind of rifle it was, but had heard that the Mauser was found on the roof. Testifying at the Shaw trial a year later, Craig recounts being present for the discovery of the rifle, never describes it as a Mauser, despite having the opportunity to do so. In his magnum opus, When They Kill a President, Craig said that Weitzman ID'ed the rifle as a Mauser, but Craig remained silent on his own identification of it.  Finally, in 1973, Craig claimed to have seen "Mauser 7.65" on the weapon.
 

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #82 on: March 25, 2020, 10:38:07 PM »
If it's that easy to see what kind of a rifle it was, how did Boone and Weitzman not see it?
They were in the room at arm's length when it was found.

They both hand wrote reports saying it was a Mauser.
Then signed sworn notarized affidavits saying same.
In fact Weitzman signed an affidavit on the 23rd saying it was a Mauser.

The logical conclusion, IMO, if the film is so conclusive of a Carcano being found, is that there was a second rifle found that wasn't recorded on film. Or if it was,  that film was ghosted.
To say that a rifle looks like a Carcano, you have to know what a Carcano looks like to begin with. There is no evidence that either Boone or Weitzman had any idea of what a Carcano was, much less what one might look like. Boone said that he didn't know what it was, but simply repeated what he heard someone else say, so Boone's testimony proves nothing other than he had ears. Weitzman for his part simply said he made a mistake, and there is no evidence otherwise.

The rest is just a big pile that your own imagination has stacked up.

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« Reply #83 on: March 25, 2020, 10:56:02 PM »
To say that a rifle looks like a Carcano, you have to know what a Carcano looks like to begin with. There is no evidence that either Boone or Weitzman had any idea of what a Carcano was, much less what one might look like. Boone said that he didn't know what it was, but simply repeated what he heard someone else say, so Boone's testimony proves nothing other than he had ears. Weitzman for his part simply said he made a mistake, and there is no evidence otherwise.

The rest is just a big pile that your own imagination has stacked up.
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« Reply #84 on: March 25, 2020, 11:16:05 PM »

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« Reply #85 on: March 25, 2020, 11:16:23 PM »
You have the timeline backwards, Walt. The "Mauser 7.65" claim didn't appear until 1973. It went like this:

Craig didn't mention the rifle at all in his 11/23/63 DCSD report. The rifle is also not mentioned in his 11/23/63 FBI interview.  In his WC testimony in the spring of '64, he testified to being present when the rifle was found, but nothing about its make or caliber. In his '68 LA Free Press interview, he said he didn't know what kind of rifle it was, but had heard that the Mauser was found on the roof. Testifying at the Shaw trial a year later, Craig recounts being present for the discovery of the rifle, never describes it as a Mauser, despite having the opportunity to do so. In his magnum opus, When They Kill a President, Craig said that Weitzman ID'ed the rifle as a Mauser, but Craig remained silent on his own identification of it.  Finally, in 1973, Craig claimed to have seen "Mauser 7.65" on the weapon.


I think that you'll find that Roger Craig did say the rifle was a 7.65 Mauser.   But It really doesn't matter WHEN he made that statement....It has taken root and many fools actually believe it...   The posts on this thread prove that there are idiots who refuse to use their God given eyes and brain and continue to argue that the rifle was a Mauser and it was switched for the carcano to frame Lee Oswald.

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #86 on: March 25, 2020, 11:23:07 PM »
Weitzman signed this sworn notarized affidavit on Saturday the 23rd.

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« Reply #87 on: March 26, 2020, 12:03:03 AM »


Here's proof that the identification of the rifle as as 7.65 Mauser was thought to be the truth on 11/22/63....