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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #310 on: April 09, 2020, 06:09:22 PM »
The way the FD-302s worked is that the date at the bottom next to the word "on" was the date that the interview actually occurred.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #311 on: April 09, 2020, 06:21:00 PM »
The evolving FBI reports

special agent
Brian Sayers
11/23/63




special agent
Raymond M. Lester
11/24/63




special agent
Vincent E. Drain
9/10/64



Ok So you've presented three reports.... What is your conclusion about the rifle that Weitzman and Boone discovered?  Do you believe the rifle was a Mauser?

Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #312 on: April 09, 2020, 06:27:07 PM »
That's an insipid dodge, John......    Simply because Sayer's report is dated 11/23/63 does NOT mean the interview took place on Saturday  11/23/63.

And Weitzman himself said that he was called to the Police department later that Friday afternoon......   So he interview took place on Friday 11/22/63 and Sayer's typed up the report on Saturday  11/23/63.   

So are you claiming that Weitzman gave his interview on the 22nd and submitted a sworn affidavit on the 23rd that completely undermined his testimony??? You'ld rather go this route than admit you might be mistaken, like Weitzman?  ;D

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #313 on: April 09, 2020, 06:35:29 PM »
The way the FD-302s worked is that the date at the bottom next to the word "on" was the date that the interview actually occurred.

No, I don't believe that is correct, and I think you are mistaken.... The date the report was written is right at the top of the report.

Sayer's certainly didn't write the report as he was interviewing Weitzman.   He jotted down notes as he interviewed Weitzman on 11 /22/63 ....AND I suspect he read Weitzman's affidavit and THAT may be the reason his report is so confusing.  He incorporated information from Weitzman's affidavit with information he received from his interview and he made a mess of the info.



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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #314 on: April 09, 2020, 06:37:48 PM »
So are you claiming that Weitzman gave his interview on the 22nd and submitted a sworn affidavit on the 23rd that completely undermined his testimony??? You'ld rather go this route than admit you might be mistaken, like Weitzman?  ;D

Post the affidavit for the 23rd.....

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #315 on: April 09, 2020, 06:45:07 PM »



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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #316 on: April 09, 2020, 07:08:23 PM »




Very interesting, Gary..... This hand written document says YESTERDAY  November 22nd.....And Then later describes a rifle that Weitzman assumes was the same rifle that he had caught a glimpse of at about 2:00  pm on 11/22/63....  But Late on 11/22/63 Weitzman had been given a 7.65 mauser to examine and describe for FBI agent Sayer.   Do you see the problem?     Between 2:00pm on 11/22/63 and sometime on 11/23 /63 Weitzman was given a 7.65 mauser....Which he must have assumed was the rifle that he and Boone had discovered in the TSBD.   We know that a mauser was NOT the rifle they discovered but "someone" wanted Weitzman to believe that the rifle he examined and described was the carcano that had been found.

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #317 on: April 09, 2020, 07:19:03 PM »
Very interesting, Gary..... This hand written document says YESTERDAY  November 22nd.....And Then later describes a rifle that Weitzman assumes was the same rifle that he had caught a glimpse of at about 2:00  pm on 11/22/63....  But Late on 11/22/63 Weitzman had been given a 7.65 mauser to examine and describe for FBI agent Sayer.   Do you see the problem?     Between 2:00pm on 11/22/63 and sometime on 11/23 /63 Weitzman was given a 7.65 mauser....Which he must have assumed was the rifle that he and Boone had discovered in the TSBD.   We know that a mauser was NOT the rifle they discovered but "someone" wanted Weitzman to believe that the rifle he examined and described was the carcano that had been found.


That "someone" had to have been Captain Fritz.....  What the hell was Fritz trying to pull??   
He apparently handed Weitzman a 7.65 Mauser to examine and described for FBI agent Sayer......

Where the hell did Fritz get this Mauser?     I believe that the mauser had been recovered at the TSBD ( Caster's rifle?) and Fritz who was a bit senile became confused and thought it was the same rifle ( the carcano)  that he and Day had examined at about 2:00 pm 11/22/63


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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #318 on: April 09, 2020, 07:20:44 PM »
Very interesting, Gary..... This hand written document says YESTERDAY  November 22nd.....And Then later describes a rifle that Weitzman assumes was the same rifle that he had caught a glimpse of at about 2:00  pm on 11/22/63....  But Late on 11/22/63 Weitzman had been given a 7.65 mauser to examine and describe for FBI agent Sayer.   Do you see the problem?     Between 2:00pm on 11/22/63 and sometime on 11/23 /63 Weitzman was given a 7.65 mauser....Which he must have assumed was the rifle that he and Boone had discovered in the TSBD.   We know that a mauser was NOT the rifle they discovered but "someone" wanted Weitzman to believe that the rifle he examined and described was the carcano that had been found.
"But Late on 11/22/63 Weitzman had been given a 7.65 mauser to examine and describe for FBI agent Sayer."

You just made that up. Sayer's report doesn't say anything about Weitzman being given a Mauser to examine. It says he and Boone found a 7.65 Mauser on the 6th floor of the TSBD at about 1:22pm on 11/22/63.

"We know that a mauser was NOT the rifle they discovered but "someone" wanted Weitzman to believe that the rifle he examined and described was the carcano that had been found."

I don't know who "we" is but I do know you just made up more BS.

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #319 on: April 09, 2020, 07:39:11 PM »
"But Late on 11/22/63 Weitzman had been given a 7.65 mauser to examine and describe for FBI agent Sayer."

You just made that up. Sayer's report doesn't say anything about Weitzman being given a Mauser to examine. It says he and Boone found a 7.65 Mauser on the 6th floor of the TSBD at about 1:22pm on 11/22/63.

"We know that a mauser was NOT the rifle they discovered but "someone" wanted Weitzman to believe that the rifle he examined and described was the carcano that had been found."

I don't know who "we" is but I do know you just made up more BS.

Well If Weitzman wasn't given a 7.65 Mauser to examine and describe ....Then why the hell did FBI agent Sayer say that "Capt Ftitz appeared and took the mauser from Weitzman.

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