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Offline Patrick Jackson

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Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« on: March 13, 2020, 12:07:09 PM »
I am one of those very few who are not LN nor CT.
One question is keeping my mind for several years.
I believe Oswald was on the front steps but if he did not do it, who did? If not him, who was on the sixth floor window, who created the SN, who fired the shots, hide the rifle?
Also, if you believe the shots did not come from the sixth floor window, who placed the shells, who hide the rifle, made the SN?
Is there another person inside TSBD at 12-12:30 PM who could do this?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2020, 01:54:35 PM »
I am one of those very few who are not LN nor CT.
One question is keeping my mind for several years.
I believe Owalad was on the front steps but if he did not do it, who did? If not him, who was on the sixth floor window, who created the SN, who fired the shots, hide the rifle?
Also, if you believe the shots did not come from the sixth floor window, who placed the shells, who hide the rifle, made the SN?
Is there another person inside TSBD at 12-12:30 PM who could do this?
Who is Owalad? Anyway-- if Oswald was not the assassin, then the the cops obviously conspired to frame him...which they did.

Offline Patrick Jackson

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2020, 02:23:24 PM »
Who is Owalad? Anyway-- if Oswald was not the assassin, then the the cops obviously conspired to frame him...which they did.
Corrected to Oswald, thank you.
So, what do you think, in which moment they started framing him?

Offline Margaret Kelly

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2020, 02:30:11 PM »
Corrected to Oswald, thank you.
So, what do you think, in which moment they started framing him?

The starting point is the car that honked outside Oswalds rooming house at 1pm. I'm not saying there was a conspiracy, but i am saying that if there was, that incident is key to unraveling it.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2020, 02:30:40 PM »
I am one of those very few who are not LN nor CT.
One question is keeping my mind for several years.
I believe Oswald was on the front steps but if he did not do it, who did? If not him, who was on the sixth floor window, who created the SN, who fired the shots, hide the rifle?
Also, if you believe the shots did not come from the sixth floor window, who placed the shells, who hide the rifle, made the SN?
Is there another person inside TSBD at 12-12:30 PM who could do this?

You are not a CTer but believe Oswald was on the front steps?  That's a bit difficult to reconcile.  The evidence on the 6th floor was either put there by Oswald or left in an effort to frame him.  There doesn't seem to be a third option where Oswald was simply unlucky and all the evidence pointed to him. 

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2020, 03:06:36 PM »
You are not a CTer but believe Oswald was on the front steps?  That's a bit difficult to reconcile.  The evidence on the 6th floor was either put there by Oswald or left in an effort to frame him.  There doesn't seem to be a third option where Oswald was simply unlucky and all the evidence pointed to him.


The evidence on the 6th floor was either put there by Oswald or left in an effort to frame him.

I've always entertained the idea that Lee himself could have set the stage, by planting the shells and the rifle before the shooting.  I believe that he was using the same basic scenario that he had employed  for the hoax at General Walker's in April.   Lee thought that he was playing a role in an ATTEMPT to shoot JFK.  The goal was to appear to be a friend of Castro, so he would be allowed asylum  in Cuba, where he could gather information about the nuclear missiles that were there during the missile crisis of 62.     

There's not an iota of doubt in my mind that the spent shells and the Carcano were planted on the sixth floor BEFORE the shooting..... and Lee could have been the person who planted them.   

"or left in an effort to frame him." [....   The fact that the Carcano had been wiped clean of finger prints does indeed seem to indicate that Lee Oswald was NOT the person who planted the rifle......  But either way...The rifle was not fired that day and it was hidden beneath the boxes of books BEFORE the shooting.

 

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2020, 03:47:38 PM »
You are not a CTer but believe Oswald was on the front steps?  That's a bit difficult to reconcile.  The evidence on the 6th floor was either put there by Oswald or left in an effort to frame him.  There doesn't seem to be a third option where Oswald was simply unlucky and all the evidence pointed to him.

Same with the Birthers, Clintonphobes and Truthers. Just citizen-investigators asking "honest questions" with no agenda in mind.

Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2020, 05:53:16 PM »
In order to believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK one has to believe in some pretty strange happenings including some incredibly bad luck on his part, some incredibly fortuitous luck on the part of the conspirators, and a nearly unlimited capability of the people who framed him, killed JFK, and then kept it all quiet for all of these years.

You have to believe in part that all of the eyewitnesses lied or were coerced or were wrong, all of the evidence - forensic, ballistic, fingerprint, handwriting, photographic - is wrong or corrupt and that alternative explanations on what happened somehow are not only possible but were carried out. And then kept quiet.

We can add the element of time: time is, after all, the chief enemy of conspiracies because over time the acts are revealed, people talk, evidence is found; but time is also paradoxically the enemy of conspiracy theories because over time the acts aren't revealed and people don't talk: a negative is essentially proven. Evidence that should show the conspiracy is not discovered.

As Robert Oswald said about the assassination, asking questions is good, raising doubt is fine, but after the tenth time, the twentieth, it's enough: Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2020, 08:43:11 PM »
You have to believe in part that all of the eyewitnesses lied or were coerced or were wrong,

No you donít. Thereís arenít any eyewitnesses as to who shot JFK.

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all of the evidence - forensic, ballistic, fingerprint, handwriting, photographic - is wrong or corrupt and that alternative explanations on what happened somehow are not only possible but were carried out. And then kept quiet.

No you donít. There is no forensic, ballistic, fingerprint, handwriting, photographic evidence as to who shot JFK.

This is the strawman of all strawmen. You assume that the evidence actually proves who did it. Even if all the evidence was authentic (and what little there is, is all questionable or tainted in some way), it doesnít prove who did the shooting.

Offline Izraul Hidashi

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Re: Shells, rifle, SN... Who?
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2020, 06:25:04 AM »
In order to believe Oswald didn't shoot JFK one has to believe in some pretty strange happenings including some incredibly bad luck on his part, some incredibly fortuitous luck on the part of the conspirators, and a nearly unlimited capability of the people who framed him, killed JFK, and then kept it all quiet for all of these years.

You have to believe in part that all of the eyewitnesses lied or were coerced or were wrong, all of the evidence - forensic, ballistic, fingerprint, handwriting, photographic - is wrong or corrupt and that alternative explanations on what happened somehow are not only possible but were carried out. And then kept quiet.

We can add the element of time: time is, after all, the chief enemy of conspiracies because over time the acts are revealed, people talk, evidence is found; but time is also paradoxically the enemy of conspiracy theories because over time the acts aren't revealed and people don't talk: a negative is essentially proven. Evidence that should show the conspiracy is not discovered.

As Robert Oswald said about the assassination, asking questions is good, raising doubt is fine, but after the tenth time, the twentieth, it's enough: Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK.

In order to swallow the Oswald pill and believe he did shoot, one would have to ignore their common sense and own eyes.

Everyone saw the head shot come from the front. But because the habitual lying government claims Oswald did it from behind, the swallowers swallow it up. Maybe one of the 2 men with rifles behind Zapruder could tell you who shot him. Yes, those 2 men were there. What a coincidence that's where the shot came from.  :/

But let's ignore our eyes and believe the Marine who couldn't shoot worth a shit did it with a 40 inch rifle that the Army experts said wasn't capable of shooting in its condition. And even though Oswald ordered a 36 inch rifle, and the order shows a 36 inch rifle was sent, we'll just ignore the fact a 40 inch rifle was found, so we can swallow the Oswald tale.

The tale that a Marine, who could have positioned himself on the roof, rather do it from a window, at his work. And even though Oswald claimed he was on the 1st floor having lunch and was able to magically know the only 2 other people who were in there, we'll just ignore our common sense. Oswald must have been a psychic to guess who was in the 1st floor lunch room while he was busy shooting the president in the front of his head from behind, on the 6th floor.  :/

And this is the magical part where Oswald somehow makes it all the way home to get a gun a murder a cop within 30 minutes. Actually less than that.

I lived in Dallas and I took the bus to my girlfriends house in Oak Cliff all the time. I know exactly how long the damn bus takes. If you really think Oswald could have shot the president at 12:30. Then took the elevator to the 1st floor to buy a coke. Then went down to the 1st floor where he was stopped by a cop, chatted with police, then walked out the front a few blocks to the bus stop (which had to be 12:45 by then), wait for the bus traveling through presidential motorcade traffic, hop on the bus, ride it a few stops, then get off, then hail a taxi (which had to be close to 1:00 by then).

But why would he leave the safety of a bus, after shooting the president? That's beyond me. It was the safest place he could have been. But he decides to get off, find a taxi, and then travel through the motorcade traffic and at least 12 stop lights to Oak Cliff.

All in time to go home, grab a gun and a jacket, then walk the 15 minutes to kill a cop (who was killed around 1:10).
Then he ditches his jacket, but not the gun, to go see a movie.  ::)

There's no way in hell Oswald could have done all that in 30 minutes. And if you think he could, then take your butt to downtown Dallas and get on a bus to Oak Cliff. See how long it takes you without a presidential motorcade.

And why the hell would Oswald even need a jacket when it was barely 1:00 in the afternoon in hot ass Texas? He was already wearing a long sleeve flannel shirt, which he was arrested in. How in gods name does any of that make sense to grown ass people? LOL It's just ridiculous.

I'm sure the 2 men behind Zapruder with rifles would agree.

And then the police, who haven't even done an investigation, or tested finger prints, or anything else, automatically know who their man is. All because a trained Marine left as much evidence as possible. smh  Just wow.

 

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