Users Currently Browsing This Topic:
0 Members

Author Topic: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.  (Read 72215 times)

Offline Ross Lidell

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 451
Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #704 on: April 01, 2020, 11:45:08 AM »
Advertisement
The possibility that someone else owned the rifle Lee Oswald held in the Neely Street Dallas backyard photograph is minuscule. The DEFAULT likelihood is that Lee Oswald owned the rifle he was holding. 

This is just about the most idiotic thing you have said so far. All it does is expose your confirmation bias. Your so-called "default likelihood" is nothing more than a Salem-like presumption of guilt unless proven innocent.

Even more pathetic. John is correct. All you have only presented as "proof" that Oswald owned the rifle is the BY photo. The documentation from Klein's (which is highly questionable itself) doesn't enter into it, as there is not a shred of evidence that the rifle Oswald is holding in the BY photo is the same one as the rifle ordered at Klein's by Hidell.

So all you really have is your own misguided opinion that "it's Lee Oswald's rifle in the "backyard" photograph". You are acting like a three year old who keeps saying the same thing over and over again, hoping it might become the truth.

Thanks for showing us just how basic and shallow your "logic" is.

We already know there was a rifle at Neely Street, at some point in time, because Oswald was photographed with it. So, Marina seeing a rifle "in the corner" that she did not want to touch tells us nothing about the ownership of the rifle. All it tells us is that a rifle was there, but we already knew that.

All this shows once again is that you can't argue with stupid....... but thanks for the laugh!

You're not laughing: You're angry.

We already know there was a rifle at Neely Street, at some point in time, because Oswald was photographed with it. So, Marina seeing a rifle "in the corner" that she did not want to touch tells us nothing about the ownership of the rifle. All it tells us is that a rifle was there, but we already knew that.

Marina Oswald saw a rifle in the Neely Street apartment (late March 1963) and photographed Lee Oswald holding a rifle in the backyard of that rented premises (late March 1963). Marina is on-camera (1964) speaking of "his rifle" but you don't accept that Lee Oswald "owned" a rifle? Why would Marina describe it as "his" rifle if it was not Lee Oswald's rifle?

You play a childish game refusing to nominate who might be the owner of the rifle that Oswald held in the photo even though you insist it is not his. You don't have "a shred of evidence" that the rifle is owned by someone other than Lee Oswald. Then you have the gall to call me a 3 year old. Priceless!!!

Funny... all those insults actually apply to you.

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #704 on: April 01, 2020, 11:45:08 AM »


Online Martin Weidmann

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7395
Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #705 on: April 01, 2020, 01:04:48 PM »
You're not laughing: You're angry.

We already know there was a rifle at Neely Street, at some point in time, because Oswald was photographed with it. So, Marina seeing a rifle "in the corner" that she did not want to touch tells us nothing about the ownership of the rifle. All it tells us is that a rifle was there, but we already knew that.

Marina Oswald saw a rifle in the Neely Street apartment (late March 1963) and photographed Lee Oswald holding a rifle in the backyard of that rented premises (late March 1963). Marina is on-camera (1964) speaking of "his rifle" but you don't accept that Lee Oswald "owned" a rifle? Why would Marina describe it as "his" rifle if it was not Lee Oswald's rifle?

You play a childish game refusing to nominate who might be the owner of the rifle that Oswald held in the photo even though you insist it is not his. You don't have "a shred of evidence" that the rifle is owned by someone other than Lee Oswald. Then you have the gall to call me a 3 year old. Priceless!!!

Funny... all those insults actually apply to you.

You don't have "a shred of evidence" that the rifle is owned by someone other than Lee Oswald.

Hey stupid, I am not the one claiming it belonged to someone else. It's you who is claiming that the rifle belonged to Oswald. You need to prove that and your are failing miserably.

And yes, I am laughing.... You are actually making my day with the superficial crap you come up with. It's a welcome diversion in these dire times.

You should try stand up comedy. You seem to be very good at it.


Offline Gary Craig

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 907
Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #706 on: April 01, 2020, 06:22:38 PM »

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #706 on: April 01, 2020, 06:22:38 PM »


Offline Walt Cakebread

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7322
Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #707 on: April 01, 2020, 06:49:26 PM »


Marina in her affidavit said that the rifle that she saw in the blanket with a rifle in it looked different that the Rifle she had seen when they lived on Neely street..    If she saw that the blanket contained a rifle, do you believe that Mike Paine( who said that he handled the blanket wrapped item)  could not have known that there was a rifle in that blanket?   I believe that Mike Paine did in fact know that there was a rifle in the blanket but he lied about that.   So the question becomes WHY would Mike Paine lie and deny any knowledge of that rifle?

In my opinion...Mike Paine knew about that rifle and it's highly probable that it was Mike Paine who very carefully removed that rifle from the blanket leaving the blanket with the appearance that the rifle was still there in the blanket. 

Offline Jerry Freeman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3725
Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #708 on: April 01, 2020, 07:59:31 PM »

Citation please for Marina Oswald's statement re Lee Oswald / Airport / Practice shooting.

You ignore the possibility that Lee Oswald might have told a lie to Marina. Alternately, you cannot seem to understand that human beings are not perfect in their actions and verbal communications.

You are completely hopeless as I mentioned earlier.

 Unjustified ad hominem attack that reeks of desperation.
Quote
Mr. RANKIN. What period of time was there between when he got the rifle and you learned of it, and the time that you first learned about the pistol?
Mrs. OSWALD. I can't say.
Mr. RANKIN. When you testified about his practicing with the rifle, are you describing a period when you were still at Neely Street?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
Mr. RANKIN. Do you know where he practiced with the rifle?
Mrs. OSWALD. I don't know where. I don't know the name of the place where this took place. But I think it was somewhere out of town. It seems to me a place called Lopfield.
Mr. RANKIN. Would that be at the airport---Love Field?
Mrs. OSWALD. Love Field.
Mr. RANKIN. So you think he was practicing out in the open and not at a rifle range?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm
Quote
You ignore the possibility that Lee Oswald might have told a lie to Marina. Alternately, you cannot seem to understand that human beings are not perfect in their actions and verbal communications.
What in hell do you mean by that? You obviously don't/haven't read the Hearings and Exhibits for yourself.
You obviously don't understand that Marina was desperate.
The Warren Commission counsels even knew that she was lying.
I am tired of looking up things for you every time you whine :'( cite this-- cite that
 

JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #708 on: April 01, 2020, 07:59:31 PM »


Online Martin Weidmann

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7395
Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #709 on: April 01, 2020, 09:21:09 PM »
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htmWhat in hell do you mean by that? You obviously don't/haven't read the Hearings and Exhibits for yourself.
You obviously don't understand that Marina was desperate.
The Warren Commission counsels even knew that she was lying.
I am tired of looking up things for you every time you whine :'( cite this-- cite that

Ross might be a nice guy in real life but here he is behaving as a contentious prick who is not interested in an honest discussion or the truth.

Like many other LNs, he has made up his mind without feeling the need, or being able to, provide any evidence to support his conjecture and speculation. He doesn't even understand that it is conjecture and speculation. To him, his assumptions, equal the "truth" as he sees it and when you give him another explanation for the same set of facts, he wants you to provide conclusive evidence in triplicate which he will never accept, understand or agree with anyway.

In his feeble mind, Oswald owned the rifle he was photographed with because he was photographed with the rifle, no matter how silly that stance makes him appear to be. And don't give him credible arguments to counter his opinion, because when you do you are the contrarian. It's really kinda sad.... 

Offline Walt Cakebread

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7322
Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #710 on: April 01, 2020, 09:37:06 PM »
Ross might be a nice guy in real life but here he is behaving as a contentious prick who is not interested in an honest discussion or the truth.

Like many other LNs, he has made up his mind without feeling the need, or being able to, provide any evidence to support his conjecture and speculation. He doesn't even understand that it is conjecture and speculation. To him, his assumptions, equal the "truth" as he sees it and when you give him another explanation for the same set of facts, he wants you to provide conclusive evidence in triplicate which he will never accept, understand or agree with anyway.

In his feeble mind, Oswald owned the rifle he was photographed with because he was photographed with the rifle, no matter how silly that stance makes him appear to be. And don't give him credible arguments to counter his opinion, because when you do you are the contrarian. It's really kinda sad....

he is behaving as a contentious prick who is not interested in an honest discussion or the truth.

This is a common trait with the LNer's .......Not interested in the truth, or in an honest discussion and evaluation of the evidence.


JFK Assassination Forum

Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #710 on: April 01, 2020, 09:37:06 PM »


Offline John Iacoletti

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10810
Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #711 on: April 01, 2020, 11:36:45 PM »
Ross's argument seems to go something like this:

Marina said he had a rifle, therefore the rifle in the photograph must be the same rifle, and he must have owned it.  Unless you can prove otherwise.

And furthermore the rifle in the photograph must be CE139, unless you can prove otherwise.

Because "reasonable assumption".