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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2020, 12:23:42 PM »
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Two questions for you John (and anyone else).

1. When was the SN photo taken and by whom?

2. Can you provide any evidence that the cover was sealed at both ends at any time?
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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2020, 01:36:27 PM »

Just what is the pertinent point?


That the FBI discovered Oswald's right palm-print and left index fingerprint are on the paper bag.
The paper bag is the right size to contain the disassembled Carcano rifle.

That renders "invalid" the critics' claim that the Oswald package was too short to smuggle the Carcano rifle into the TSBD. Buell Frazier's estimate of the length of the package that Oswald carried must be inaccurate.

The photo of the package on top of the boxes is interesting but not as important as the fingerprint evidence.

That the FBI discovered Oswald's right palm-print and left index fingerprint are on the paper bag.

They also found other prints on the bag which they (said they) could not identify. There is no telling who else touched the bag!

That renders "invalid" the critics' claim that the Oswald package was too short to smuggle the Carcano rifle into the TSBD.

Wishful thinking! There is no evidence whatsoever that the bag found on the 6th floor ever left the TSBD and/or ever held a rifle.

Buell Frazier's estimate of the length of the package that Oswald carried must be inaccurate.

Why? Just because they found a bag on the 6th floor? On Friday evening, Buell Frazier was being polygraphed by DPD officers, when he was shown the actual bag, they found on the 6th floor and he denied it was the bag he had seen Oswald carry.

The photo of the package on top of the boxes is interesting but not as important as the fingerprint evidence.

The fingerprint evidence is useless as the other unidentified prints leave open the possibility that more than one person handled the bag. Also, the bag was made from materials found in the shipping department of the TSBD. It was allegedly found on the 6th floor of the TSBD at a location where Oswald (and others) has access to. All the prints prove is that Oswald must have touched that bag at some point in time.

As for the bag on top of the boxes; how and when did that happen? The bag was supposed to have been found folded up!
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2020, 04:45:04 PM »
Yep, the sack which had Oswald's prints.



And to top it off, the sack was a perfect fit for Oswald's broken down rifle.



JohnM

The rifle is not disassembled.....  It has been disassembled and then partially reassembled to make it appear that the rifle can be disassembled into just a few pieces.



Notice that the magazine / trigger guard is in the wooden stock  ....   There are two screws that pass up through the magazine / trigger guard which clamp the wooden stock between the receiver and the trigger guard....When those screws are removed there is nothing to hold the trigger guard in the stock as it is seen in the photo  .........And none of the five screws that need to be removed are shown.

This the "slight of hand"  B S the conspirators resorted too .......

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2020, 04:51:39 PM »

Just what is the pertinent point?


That the FBI discovered Oswald's right palm-print and left index fingerprint are on the paper bag.
The paper bag is the right size to contain the disassembled Carcano rifle.

That renders "invalid" the critics' claim that the Oswald package was too short to smuggle the Carcano rifle into the TSBD.

I think you forgot to demonstrate that CE 142 was “the Oswald package”.
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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2020, 07:49:59 PM »
The rifle is not disassembled.....  It has been disassembled and then partially reassembled to make it appear that the rifle can be disassembled into just a few pieces.



Notice that the magazine / trigger guard is in the wooden stock  ....   There are two screws that pass up through the magazine / trigger guard which clamp the wooden stock between the receiver and the trigger guard....When those screws are removed there is nothing to hold the trigger guard in the stock as it is seen in the photo  .........And none of the five screws that need to be removed are shown.

This the "slight of hand"  B S the conspirators resorted too .......

You're right, the rifle was never disassembled/reassembled most notably because there were no prints on it, except for a smeared print on the trigger, which meant Oswald did not wear gloves. So where were all the other prints on the rifle parts smuggled in the bag?  Also any military marksman would have known that by disassembling the rifle he would need to re-align the scope after reassembling it. The only way to do that would be to sight in the scope on a target, otherwise, there was no way he could have used it since it was grossly misaligned, and always was. Oswald MUST have known that. So then why would he include the scope in the bag if he knew it would be worse than useless?





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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2020, 08:26:42 PM »
You're right, the rifle was never disassembled/reassembled most notably because there were no prints on it, except for a smeared print on the trigger, which meant Oswald did not wear gloves. So where were all the other prints on the rifle parts smuggled in the bag?  Also any military marksman would have known that by disassembling the rifle he would need to re-align the scope after reassembling it. The only way to do that would be to sight in the scope on a target, otherwise, there was no way he could have used it since it was grossly misaligned, and always was. Oswald MUST have known that. So then why would he include the scope in the bag if he knew it would be worse than useless?

Was the scope removed from the barrel?

In any event, a sniper could compensate for a slightly-off scope. In Dealey Plaza, the open sights would have been enough.


Next we'll hear that the bolt couldn't be operated. That Ventura's test proved it.

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2020, 09:13:26 PM »
I think you forgot to demonstrate that CE 142 was “the Oswald package”.

You forgot: Oswald's prints demonstrate that the paper bag (CE 142) is his.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald's sack in the Sniper's nest.
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2020, 10:29:15 PM »
You forgot: Oswald's prints demonstrate that the paper bag (CE 142) is his.

Mr Lidell.... You as sooooo naive and gullible.