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Online Charles Collins

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Re: Who returned LHOs library books on Oct 3rd 1963?
« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2020, 11:10:06 PM »
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On Sept 19 1963, apparently in anticipation of his expected long bus journey to Mexico City, LHO took out four books from the New Orleans library:

Someone then returned them to the New Orleans library on Oct 3rd (at a time when LHO was on his way to Dallas from Mexico). This has to be proof LHO was not on his own in Mexico. Presumably, whoever he was with, he gave that person his library books to return to New Orleans once LHO realized he would not be getting in to Cuba.

Why is there no mention of this in the Warren Report?


This has to be proof LHO was not on his own in Mexico.

The more likely explanation is that the books were returned before LHO left New Orleans and simply were not processed by the library until 10/3.

However, on page 742 of “Reclaiming History,” Vincent Bugliosi says that: “All three Bond novels turned up in his Dallas rooming house after the assassination.” There is no source note for this claim. I question Bugliosi on this one...


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Re: Who returned LHOs library books on Oct 3rd 1963?
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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Who returned LHOs library books on Oct 3rd 1963?
« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2020, 11:23:09 PM »
Charles: Some "covers" of James Bond novels and other books - including ones on Marxism - were retrieved from Oswald's possessions by the DPD. I don't know if just the covers were found (which is odd) and not the books too or they just photographed the covers only. It appears this may be what Bugliosi is referring to.

Link: https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337905/?q=James%20Bond


Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Who returned LHOs library books on Oct 3rd 1963?
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2020, 11:35:42 PM »
However, on page 742 of “Reclaiming History,” Vincent Bugliosi says that: “All three Bond novels turned up in his Dallas rooming house after the assassination.” There is no source note for this claim. I question Bugliosi on this one...
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337905/m1/5/?q=James%20Bond
"Live and Let Die" and "The Spy Who Loved Me" were not on that New Orleans library book list.

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Re: Who returned LHOs library books on Oct 3rd 1963?
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Re: Who returned LHOs library books on Oct 3rd 1963?
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2020, 12:02:49 AM »
Charles: Some "covers" of James Bond novels and other books - including ones on Marxism - were retrieved from Oswald's possessions by the DPD. I don't know if just the covers were found (which is odd) and not the books too or they just photographed the covers only. It appears this may be what Bugliosi is referring to.

Link: https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337905/?q=James%20Bond

Thanks Steve, you might be right. However Jerry makes it clear that the books found in the rooming house were not the same ones that LHO checked out in New Orleans. And Bugliosi’s claim appears to suggest that they were. Uncharacteristically sloppy work by Bugliosi...

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Re: Who returned LHOs library books on Oct 3rd 1963?
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2020, 12:03:31 AM »
https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337905/m1/5/?q=James%20Bond
"Live and Let Die" and "The Spy Who Loved Me" were not on that New Orleans library book list.

Thanks Jerry.

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Re: Who returned LHOs library books on Oct 3rd 1963?
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Re: Who returned LHOs library books on Oct 3rd 1963?
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2020, 05:28:39 AM »

This has to be proof LHO was not on his own in Mexico.

The more likely explanation is that the books were returned before LHO left New Orleans and simply were not processed by the library until 10/3.

However, on page 742 of “Reclaiming History,” Vincent Bugliosi says that: “All three Bond novels turned up in his Dallas rooming house after the assassination.” There is no source note for this claim. I question Bugliosi on this one...

Why does there need to be an "explanation", and what makes your unsupported statement " more likely" ?

The library books were turned in on October 3rd. Seems to be accepted by the Warren Commission.

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Re: Who returned LHOs library books on Oct 3rd 1963?
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2020, 05:49:01 AM »
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Thanks Steve, you might be right. However Jerry makes it clear that the books found in the rooming house were not the same ones that LHO checked out in New Orleans. And Bugliosi’s claim appears to suggest that they were. Uncharacteristically sloppy work by Bugliosi...

Very characteristic.

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Re: Who returned LHOs library books on Oct 3rd 1963?
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Re: Who returned LHOs library books on Oct 3rd 1963?
« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2020, 01:54:22 PM »
Why does there need to be an "explanation", and what makes your unsupported statement " more likely" ?

The library books were turned in on October 3rd. Seems to be accepted by the Warren Commission.

Why does there need to be an "explanation", and what makes your unsupported statement " more likely" ?

The claim that I responded to WAS an (unlikely) explanation. Here it is again:

Someone then returned them to the New Orleans library on Oct 3rd (at a time when LHO was on his way to Dallas from Mexico). This has to be proof LHO was not on his own in Mexico. Presumably, whoever he was with, he gave that person his library books to return to New Orleans once LHO realized he would not be getting in to Cuba.

Margaret’s explanation states that “someone returned them...on Oct 3rd.” The SS report (CE 2650) only states that “card shows return date [10/3/63].” It most definitely does not state that “someone returned them on 10/3/63.”

Margaret’s explanation states that “This HAS to be proof LHO was not on his own in Mexico.” My contention is that it doesn’t HAVE  to be proof of that. She is jumping to an ad hoc conclusion. She doesn’t allow for ANY other possible explanations.

There are several possible scenarios in which the library could have processed the books a few days after they were actually returned. Here is one: The books were placed in an after-hours return (because LHO left town in a hurry). Consequently, the books were simply not processed until 10/3/63 because they were separate from others (that were returned to the desk during operating hours) and were neglected or forgotten about until 10/3/63. This type of scenario happens quite often in libraries and offices everywhere. Therefore this scenario is much more likely than Margaret’s contention that “someone” was helping LHO. Why aren’t you asking for corroborating evidence of a “helper”?