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Online Ted Shields

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2020, 04:15:21 PM »
I'm not claiming anything.

He shot Oswald at point blank range. Effective result.

None of the studies you bring up are specific to point blank range gunshots.

If the heart and brain are avoided, theres a good chance of survival. Which is why assassins actually shoot people in the heart or the brain!

William McKinley was shot in the abdomen from point blank range and it took him a week to die of gangrene.

James Garfield was shot twice in the back from point blank range and it took him nearly 3 months to die from it.

So, Oswald, the most important assassination in history, apart from the one 48 hours previously, and they're chancing a handgun shot to the gut to silence Oswald?

Does that actually make sense to anyone?
« Last Edit: February 04, 2020, 04:25:07 PM by Ted Shields »

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2020, 05:22:32 PM »
If the heart and brain are avoided, theres a good chance of survival. Which is why assassins actually shoot people in the heart or the brain!

William McKinley was shot in the abdomen from point blank range and it took him a week to die of gangrene.

James Garfield was shot twice in the back from point blank range and it took him nearly 3 months to die from it.

So, Oswald, the most important assassination in history, apart from the one 48 hours previously, and they're chancing a handgun shot to the gut to silence Oswald?

Does that actually make sense to anyone?

What makes sense is that nobody is going to rely on unstable nutballs like Oswald and Ruby.

Re Garfield, he was hit once in the back and the other bullet grazed his shoulder. They couldn't find the bullet in his back. He likely would have survived his wounds but for infections caused by sloppy doctors in the hunt for the missile.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2020, 05:40:33 PM by Bill Chapman »

Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2020, 06:07:23 PM »
If the heart and brain are avoided, theres a good chance of survival. Which is why assassins actually shoot people in the heart or the brain!

William McKinley was shot in the abdomen from point blank range and it took him a week to die of gangrene.

James Garfield was shot twice in the back from point blank range and it took him nearly 3 months to die from it.

So, Oswald, the most important assassination in history, apart from the one 48 hours previously, and they're chancing a handgun shot to the gut to silence Oswald?

Does that actually make sense to anyone?

Oswald was hit in the aorta, according to the autopsy, and also the liver and spleen.

The aorta is the largest artery in the body.

Obviously,  Ruby's shot was very effective.

Again, Ruby lied about his first visit to DPD, Friday,  5 to 6 pm, and his Sunday morning visit as well. This was a "spur of the moment" killing, that he happened to be planning for three days?

Offline Joffrey van de Wiel

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2020, 06:34:23 PM »
It is the result that counts: Ruby shot Oswald, who soon thereafter lost consciousness and died at 1.07 p.m.

There was also a group of one hundred members who had voted 100 to nil to kill Oswald while he was being transferred to the County Jail, in addition to other threats:

During the night, between 2:30 and 3 a.m., the local office of the FBI and the sheriff's office received telephone calls from an unidentified man who warned that a committee had decided "to kill the man that killed the President." Shortly after, an FBI agent notified the Dallas police of the anonymous threat. The police department and ultimately Chief Curry were informed of both threats.

- Warren Report page 209.

More on the death threats in this report by Officer McCoy, page 537-539:

https://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Decker_Ex_5323.pdf


Online John Iacoletti

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2020, 10:32:34 PM »
If the heart and brain are avoided, theres a good chance of survival. Which is why assassins actually shoot people in the heart or the brain!

William McKinley was shot in the abdomen from point blank range and it took him a week to die of gangrene.

James Garfield was shot twice in the back from point blank range and it took him nearly 3 months to die from it.

Are you suggesting that Czolgosz and Guiteau weren’t trying to kill their targets?

Lincoln lived for 9 hours. What was Booth thinking?
« Last Edit: February 05, 2020, 01:12:17 PM by John Iacoletti »

Online Ted Shields

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #55 on: February 05, 2020, 09:31:37 AM »
Oswald was hit in the aorta, according to the autopsy, and also the liver and spleen.

The aorta is the largest artery in the body.

Obviously,  Ruby's shot was very effective.

Again, Ruby lied about his first visit to DPD, Friday,  5 to 6 pm, and his Sunday morning visit as well. This was a "spur of the moment" killing, that he happened to be planning for three days?

No Ruby admitted that if he had've had a good shot he would've shot Oswald on Friday but didn't want to hit the police.

So Ruby was such a good shot, he knew that he could hit Oswald in thew aorta? A 3.0 cm2 target?

What makes sense is that nobody is going to rely on unstable nutballs like Oswald and Ruby.

Exactly. Yet people believe "they" relied on these two to pull off the biggest conspiracy in history.

No one can answer who was supposed to silence Ruby. And why didn't they?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #57 on: February 05, 2020, 11:35:12 PM »


Thanks.
Real evidence. As opposed to some anecdotal rubbish.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #58 on: February 10, 2020, 03:27:30 PM »
The Warren Commission team ignored Jack Ruby's Mafia ties. The WC group claimed that no evidence could be found concerning such.
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Based on its evaluation of the record, however, the Commission believes that the evidence does not establish a significant link between Ruby and organized crime. Both State and Federal officials have indicated that Ruby was not affiliated with organized criminal activity.400 And numerous persons have reported that Ruby was not connected with such activity.
The Report acknowledges a casual association with Lewis McWillie...skirting his major exploits as a mob figure.
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-16.html#underworld
 However, there was a lot more to it and everybody involved knew it---
 
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Lewis McWillie worked as a professional gambler in Memphis, Tennessee (1932-36). Later he worked in Jackson, Mississippi, and Dallas, Texas (1940-58). Then he moved to the Deauville Casino in Cuba. A fellow worker at the casino was John Martino. McWillie was also a business associate of Santos Trafficante and Meyer Lansky and later ran the Tropicana Casino in Havana. In August 1959 Jack Ruby visited McWillie.

When Fidel Castro took control of of the island McWillie was arrested and then deported to the United States. After a period in Miami Meyer Lansky placed him inside of his Tropicana Casino in Las Vegas. In 1961 Sam Giancana and Johnny Roselli recruited McWillie to look after Frank Sinatra's Cal-Neva Lodge in Nevada.

On 17th November, 1963, McWillie was seen with Jack Ruby at the Thunderbird Casino Las Vegas. According to John William Tuohy: "Two days after meeting McWillie in Las Vegas, Ruby was back in Dallas, flush with enough cash to pay off his back taxes."
https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKmcwillie.htm
 The Warren gang decided to dismiss Ruby's various activities with the underworld but Chief Council Robert Blakey decided to get a further look. Mr McWillie was certainly more than just a lowly gambler from Memphis.
Lewis McWillie was interviewed by the HSCA lawyers. It was telling enough [239 pages] The word 'guns' was mentioned some 3 dozen times.
Here is that link...
https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol5/pdf/HSCA_Vol5_0927_2_McWillie.pdf

Online Ted Shields

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Re: The real Jack Ruby
« Reply #59 on: February 10, 2020, 04:02:39 PM »
The Warren Commission team ignored Jack Ruby's Mafia ties.

He clearly had mafia ties. Thats not really up for debate.

Still doesn't explain this miraculous shot to the stomach. Or him bringing his dog with him. Or being in Western Union. Or why he didn't shoot Oswald in the police station, or wait until he got to jail.....

 

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