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The Silent Conspiracy
« on: January 15, 2020, 09:42:38 PM »
Brian Latell’s book: “Castro’s Secrets - Cuban Intelligence, The CIA, and the Assassination of John F. Kennedy” tells many details about the workings of the Cuban DIG and the events surrounding the assassination that I hadn’t seen before. He spells out a believable theory that has Castro knowing about LHO’s intentions to shoot JFK before it happened but remaining silent instead of warning the U.S. about it. An interesting book that, in my opinion, just might be true!

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2020, 01:20:48 AM »
Brian Latell’s book: “Castro’s Secrets - Cuban Intelligence, The CIA, and the Assassination of John F. Kennedy” tells many details about the workings of the Cuban DIG and the events surrounding the assassination that I hadn’t seen before. He spells out a believable theory that has Castro knowing about LHO’s intentions to shoot JFK before it happened but remaining silent instead of warning the U.S. about it. An interesting book that, in my opinion, just might be true!

Let's see if I understand this correctly.

The premise of this is that Castro somehow knew in advance about the so-called insignificant "lone nut" Oswald's intention to kill Kennedy.

With that in mind, I would like to have explained, first of all, how Castro could have possibly known that? Was he physic or telepathic? Think about it, how would Oswald even get on Castro's radar? For Castro to know it in advance, there needs to have been some sort of contact and communication, either direct or indirectly, between Castro and Oswald, in which Oswald somehow announced his intentions.

Secondly, how in the world could Castro have known in advance that Oswald wanted to kill Kennedy, when Oswald, on the one hand, couldn't have known that Kennedy was coming to Dallas until it was announced, only a few days earlier, and, on the other hand, there is no known evidence that even remotely shows that Oswald intended to kill Kennedy at another location than Dallas.

It simply doesn't add up, unless of course the real premise is that Castro orchestrated the whole thing and simply used Oswald (and perhaps others at other locations) as a pawn in his own game. But that would make it an actual conspiracy and not a silent one....
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Re: The Silent Conspiracy
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2020, 02:54:59 AM »
Let's see if I understand this correctly.

The premise of this is that Castro somehow knew in advance about the so-called insignificant "lone nut" Oswald's intention to kill Kennedy.

With that in mind, I would like to have explained, first of all, how Castro could have possibly known that? Was he physic or telepathic? Think about it, how would Oswald even get on Castro's radar? For Castro to know it in advance, there needs to have been some sort of contact and communication, either direct or indirectly, between Castro and Oswald, in which Oswald somehow announced his intentions.

Secondly, how in the world could Castro have known in advance that Oswald wanted to kill Kennedy, when Oswald, on the one hand, couldn't have known that Kennedy was coming to Dallas until it was announced, only a few days earlier, and, on the other hand, there is no known evidence that even remotely shows that Oswald intended to kill Kennedy at another location than Dallas.

It simply doesn't add up, unless of course the real premise is that Castro orchestrated the whole thing and simply used Oswald (and perhaps others at other locations) as a pawn in his own game. But that would make it an actual conspiracy and not a silent one....

Secondly, how in the world could Castro have known in advance that Oswald wanted to kill Kennedy, when Oswald, on the one hand, couldn't have known that Kennedy was coming to Dallas until it was announced, only a few days earlier, and, on the other hand, there is no known evidence that even remotely shows that Oswald intended to kill Kennedy at another location than Dallas.



...Jack Childs’s Operation SOLO report to the FBI, and a second by the British journalist, about Oswald’s shouted threat to kill Kennedy...  [as he angrily left the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City]

And, LHO had the phone number of Sylvia Duran in his pocket sized address book...

Once LHO had devised his plan, all he needed to do was pick up a pay phone and alert her... quite feasible...


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Re: The Silent Conspiracy
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2020, 03:25:24 AM »
Secondly, how in the world could Castro have known in advance that Oswald wanted to kill Kennedy, when Oswald, on the one hand, couldn't have known that Kennedy was coming to Dallas until it was announced, only a few days earlier, and, on the other hand, there is no known evidence that even remotely shows that Oswald intended to kill Kennedy at another location than Dallas.

...Jack Childs’s Operation SOLO report to the FBI, and a second by the British journalist, about Oswald’s shouted threat to kill Kennedy...  [as he angrily left the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City]

And, LHO had the phone number of Sylvia Duran in his pocket sized address book...

Once LHO had devised his plan, all he needed to do was pick up a pay phone and alert her... quite feasible...

An alleged shouted threat reported by people that were not there would, at best, be hearsay. I don't buy it. But even if it did happen, it still would indicate more a conspiracy, orchestrated by Castro, than it would fit with the alleged "lone nut" profile. What it, most certainly, doesn't do is provide anything solid for Castro to become aware of a credible plot against Kennedy by Oswald. Presidents get threatend all the time and most of the threats are never really carried out. History shows that those who kill a President are normally not in the habit of announcing it beforehand. In fact, when Oswald (if it was him) left the Cuban Consultate in Mexico he had no idea that Kennedy was coming to Dallas or that he [Oswald] would be there at the same time.

And, LHO had the phone number of Sylvia Duran in his pocket sized address book...

Once LHO had devised his plan, all he needed to do was pick up a pay phone and alert her... quite feasible...


There is nothing feasible about it. It is in fact an extreme stretch of the imagination. Why in the world would a lone nut even want to communicate his plan to kill Kennedy in advance to Duran? What is she to him? A handler of some kind or perhaps pipeline to Castro? Is that what you are thinking?

Your premise is apparently that, within maximum 72 hours prior to Kennedy's arrival in Dallas, this alleged lone nut actually decides to kill him and then greatly reduces his changes of success by phoning Sylvia Duran (who may have been, and probaby was, under US surveillance) and tell her about it in the hope that she somehow doesn't report it to authorities and instead relays the message to Castro (without the US intelligence agencies picking up on it), which of course would make the whole thing a conspiracy, in which at least Oswald, Duran and Castro were involved. 

And for what gain? To impress Castro and force a permission to enter the country? How in the world would that even be remotely possible and/or credible. The LN premise is that Oswald did not expect to survive after the attack. So what would be the point to inform Castro? It doesn't add up, unless of course Castro was the one pulling the strings and needed to be reported back to.

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Re: The Silent Conspiracy
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2020, 11:25:38 AM »
An alleged shouted threat reported by people that were not there would, at best, be hearsay. I don't buy it. But even if it did happen, it still would indicate more a conspiracy, orchestrated by Castro, than it would fit with the alleged "lone nut" profile. What it, most certainly, doesn't do is provide anything solid for Castro to become aware of a credible plot against Kennedy by Oswald. Presidents get threatend all the time and most of the threats are never really carried out. History shows that those who kill a President are normally not in the habit of announcing it beforehand. In fact, when Oswald (if it was him) left the Cuban Consultate in Mexico he had no idea that Kennedy was coming to Dallas or that he [Oswald] would be there at the same time.

And, LHO had the phone number of Sylvia Duran in his pocket sized address book...

Once LHO had devised his plan, all he needed to do was pick up a pay phone and alert her... quite feasible...


There is nothing feasible about it. It is in fact an extreme stretch of the imagination. Why in the world would a lone nut even want to communicate his plan to kill Kennedy in advance to Duran? What is she to him? A handler of some kind or perhaps pipeline to Castro? Is that what you are thinking?

Your premise is apparently that, within maximum 72 hours prior to Kennedy's arrival in Dallas, this alleged lone nut actually decides to kill him and then greatly reduces his changes of success by phoning Sylvia Duran (who may have been, and probaby was, under US surveillance) and tell her about it in the hope that she somehow doesn't report it to authorities and instead relays the message to Castro (without the US intelligence agencies picking up on it), which of course would make the whole thing a conspiracy, in which at least Oswald, Duran and Castro were involved. 

And for what gain? To impress Castro and force a permission to enter the country? How in the world would that even be remotely possible and/or credible. The LN premise is that Oswald did not expect to survive after the attack. So what would be the point to inform Castro? It doesn't add up, unless of course Castro was the one pulling the strings and needed to be reported back to.

Your question was “ ...how Castro could have possibly known that?”

I gave you a possibility. It wasn’t impossible, as you implied.

The Cuban spy (Aspillaga) who defected was manning the radio equipment and searching for CIA activity, towards Miami and Washington DC, (as usual) on the morning of 11/22/63. At approximately 9:00 to 9:30 that morning, he was directed to stop all that and turn his antennas toward Texas and report anything unusual. His reports normally went straight to Castro. He therefore believes Castro knew about LHO’s threat. Aspillaga worked for Cuban intelligence for 35-years before he defected. Everything else he has divulged has checked out as correct. He was also the first one to tell about Castro’s Armageddon letter during the height of the Cuban missile crisis.   

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Re: The Silent Conspiracy
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2020, 01:49:00 PM »
Let's see if I understand this correctly.

The premise of this is that Castro somehow knew in advance about the so-called insignificant "lone nut" Oswald's intention to kill Kennedy.

With that in mind, I would like to have explained, first of all, how Castro could have possibly known that? Was he physic or telepathic? Think about it, how would Oswald even get on Castro's radar? For Castro to know it in advance, there needs to have been some sort of contact and communication, either direct or indirectly, between Castro and Oswald, in which Oswald somehow announced his intentions.

Secondly, how in the world could Castro have known in advance that Oswald wanted to kill Kennedy, when Oswald, on the one hand, couldn't have known that Kennedy was coming to Dallas until it was announced, only a few days earlier, and, on the other hand, there is no known evidence that even remotely shows that Oswald intended to kill Kennedy at another location than Dallas.

It simply doesn't add up, unless of course the real premise is that Castro orchestrated the whole thing and simply used Oswald (and perhaps others at other locations) as a pawn in his own game. But that would make it an actual conspiracy and not a silent one....

If Ion Pacepa is correct when he says Oswald was trained/programmed in the USSR and that Khrushchev was later unable to call Oswald off the "hit," Castro, whose DGI worked hand-in-glove with the KGB, may have known about it and, being pissed at Khruschev for withdrawing the missiles from Cuba, may have decided to remain quiet and let it "play out".

Castro, knowing that nobody nukes anybody anymore (out of fear that they themselves will be nuked in retaliation), knew that WW III was unlikely to break out if the assassination was traced back to Moscow, and that the assassination of his nemesis, charismatic anti-Communist JFK, would only serve to advance the Hegellian-Marxst "Dialectic" by making Lyndon Baines Johnson POTUS.

--  MWT  ;)
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Re: The Silent Conspiracy
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2020, 02:04:19 PM »
We know Oswald was doing his best to create a resume to impress the Cubans with the objective of gaining entry into Cuba.  It is plausible that he mentioned his attempt on Walker while in Mexico City as part of that process.  Or made some reference to a willingness to commit violence on behalf of Castro.  The Cubans probably thought he was a nut.  They would not have informed Castro about some nut who showed up in Mexico City.

 After the fact, the Cubans might have believed Oswald was some type of CIA asset who was sent to implicate them in the assassination.  So they cover up whatever threat Oswald made.  And it could not have related to JFK since Oswald would have had no idea at that time that he would ever have an opportunity to assassinate him.  It would have been more general such as a promise to commit some bold or violent act.  Later on, once the incident could no longer be used as a pretext for war, Castro would have used the incident to enhance his reputation as someone with knowledge about the JFK assassination.

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Re: The Silent Conspiracy
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2020, 02:46:48 PM »
We know Oswald was doing his best to create a resume to impress the Cubans with the objective of gaining entry into Cuba.  It is plausible that he mentioned his attempt on Walker while in Mexico City as part of that process.  Or made some reference to a willingness to commit violence on behalf of Castro.  The Cubans probably thought he was a nut.  They would not have informed Castro about some nut who showed up in Mexico City.

 After the fact, the Cubans might have believed Oswald was some type of CIA asset who was sent to implicate them in the assassination.  So they cover up whatever threat Oswald made.  And it could not have related to JFK since Oswald would have had no idea at that time that he would ever have an opportunity to assassinate him.  It would have been more general such as a promise to commit some bold or violent act.  Later on, once the incident could no longer be used as a pretext for war, Castro would have used the incident to enhance his reputation as someone with knowledge about the JFK assassination.

Exactly the points I was making. Charles however seems to feel that Oswald, after deciding to kill Kennedy, picked up the phone and called Sylvia Duran, who then in turn called Castro to let him know. And all this within maximum 72 hours prior to the assassination and at an enormous risk (for Oswald) of being detected by all the surveillance activity of the CIA and others.... Although not completely impossible, it's a highly unlikely scenario at best.

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Re: The Silent Conspiracy
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2020, 02:59:32 PM »
Your question was “ ...how Castro could have possibly known that?”

I gave you a possibility. It wasn’t impossible, as you implied.

The Cuban spy (Aspillaga) who defected was manning the radio equipment and searching for CIA activity, towards Miami and Washington DC, (as usual) on the morning of 11/22/63. At approximately 9:00 to 9:30 that morning, he was directed to stop all that and turn his antennas toward Texas and report anything unusual. His reports normally went straight to Castro. He therefore believes Castro knew about LHO’s threat. Aspillaga worked for Cuban intelligence for 35-years before he defected. Everything else he has divulged has checked out as correct. He was also the first one to tell about Castro’s Armageddon letter during the height of the Cuban missile crisis.

I gave you a possibility. It wasn’t impossible, as you implied.

I never said or implied that it was impossible. I said that there was nothing feasible about it and that it was unlikely.

The story about Aspillaga doesn't make much sense. Oswald's alleged phone contact, Sylvia Duran was in Mexico, so what significance does it have that Aspillage turned his antennas toward Texas and heard nothing unusual? Also, Aspillage can believe what he wants, but that still does not mean that Castro actually knew about the assassination plan in advance. But if he did, and he heard it from Duran, they would both be part of the conspiracy, simply by not disclosing the information to the authorities.

If you know in advance that a crime is going to be committed and you do nothing, you automatically become complicit in that crime. So, are you now moving away from the LN scenario to a conspiracy?

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Re: The Silent Conspiracy
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2020, 03:00:45 PM »
Exactly the points I was making. Charles however seems to feel that Oswald, after deciding to kill Kennedy, picked up the phone and called Sylvia Duran, who then in turn called Castro to let him know. And all this within maximum 72 hours prior to the assassination and at an enormous risk (for Oswald) of being detected by all the surveillance activity of the CIA and others.... Although not completely impossible, it's a highly unlikely scenario at best.

Charles however seems to feel that Oswald, after deciding to kill Kennedy, picked up the phone and called Sylvia Duran, who then in turn called Castro to let him know

Again, you asked how it could be possible. I gave you a possibility. That doesn’t necessarily mean that I believe that that is for certain what happened. There are other possibilities.

 

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