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Offline Tom Scully

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(I'll fill this OP in with more detail, later today, or tomorrow)

This is a timely thread in which my hope is to put "the system" on trial because, except for Bob Durst's impending trial, the other examples seem to resolve nothing.

Mr. Doyle will try mightily to make this thread about him, as far as Ray Crump's actual guilt, supported by the evidence and poorly informed assumptions now ingrained in the JFKA, CT side, POV.

Things are slow on all JFKA forums, both Durst and Trump happen to be facing the immediacy of trials of their lives, so this thread is an attempt at a humongous "bite of the apple," but now, with this "double header," in the news, why not "go big"?

Two questions....
1.) what do you know about these cases and how do you know it?
2.) does it matter, all that much, what the actual evidence supports, if the public perception, owing to a bunch of factors ... the "mojo" you got working for you,
especially in the examples of OJ, Bob Durst's last trial in a different murder case, Trump's senate impeachment trial, - race, reputation, connections, notoriety, wealth, the best legal representation, VS LHO or Ray Crump .... nobodies with none of the advantages presented in the last sentence, and in the example of LHO, not even breathing long enough to have that day in court.

Ray Crump was acquitted but IMO, the facts support his guilt, OJ is assumed by a majority to have actually murdered two people, Bob Durst admitted in his other murder trial, he killed his friend, dumped his body in a bay after cutting off the head of his victim, but claimed it was self defense, Trump is Trump and his trial isn't likely to be decided by the evidence, and LHO never made it to trial and there is fierce debate about the question of his guilt or extent of any culpability at all in two separate murders in the same hour.

I hope the discussion, if there is a coherent one, will move away from LHO to these other questions of guilt VS evidence, what do the rest of the lives of those experiencing verdicts contrary to public perception, look like? Crump, OJ, and Durst were all acquitted of murder but have not fared all that well, since. Trump, although not accused of murder, has quite an unprecedented bit at stake and seems on an identical path as the other three, after his expected acquittal.

How much does the evidence even matter? OJ, Durst, and Trump have had enormous advantages as far as wealth and legal talent ... mixed bags as far as public perception. Ray Crump seems to have just gotten lucky, LHO seemed to have nothing going for him, at all, after he was arrested and accused of two murders.

Except in the example of LHO, are the situations in the other examples largely the fault of how the majority of the public filters information, or more the fault of how the juries in each case, do or did?

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Robert Durst's HBO 'confession' wasn't what it seemed. Here's ...
https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-robert-durst-hbo-documentary-20190425-story.html
Apr 25, 2019 - It was in the dramatic final moments of the HBO documentary “The Jinx: The Life and Deaths of Robert Durst” that New York real estate scion ...
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https://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny-robert-durst-judge-admits-abortion-evidence-20200113-p425vjqywjflrcwwfkhx7ab3mm-story.html
Robert Durst murder trial jurors can hear evidence he ‘coerced’ first wife Kathie Durst into abortion, judge rules
By NANCY DILLON NEW YORK DAILY NEWS | JAN 13, 2020
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Offline Tom Scully

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Starting with the oldest of the cases included in the thread title, the Ray Crump murder accusation and trial. Crump was fortunate to draw an apparently capable defense attorney, despite being unable personally to afford the cost of capable legal counsel.

I thought this was a misleading start....

Defense attorney Dovey Roundtree has made numerous conflicting claims since "winning" acquittal of defendant Crump in 1965. If the Mary Meyer funeral VIP list was not a wake up call for  Ms. Roundtree, that her client was accused of the shooting death of one of the most connected people in the midst of cold war Washington, what would have been? Perhaps a picture of Meyer in bed at the White House, with JFK. Also within a day or so after these details were published, the initial reporting that Cord Meyer was an "author and lecturer," was superceded by reporting of his employment with CIA. Not that the names of Angleton, Janney the personnel director at CIA, and Mrs. Samuel Lanahan, aka Scottie Fitzgerald, Mary's college roommate who described her "brothers" as Richard and Nathan Ober, Richard being a key CIA officer close to Angleton and later, Nixon. Walton, Bradlee, Bundy, and Kay Graham would also make most defense attorneys in Ms. Roundtree's situation, stand up and take notice.





The segment above, from this author, Ms. McCabe, as told to her by Ms. Roundtree, certainly seems a Leo Damore influenced "set up" for Peter Janney's 2012 book, Mary's Mosaic :
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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/12/30/dovey-johnson-roundtree-obituary-civil-rights-legal-pioneer-223307
Dovey Johnson Roundtree: A Legal Pioneer, Finally Getting Her Due
1914-2018

By KATIE MCCABE December 30, 2018
National Magazine Award winner Katie McCabe is the co-author, with Dovey Johnson Roundtree, of Roundtree’s 2009 memoir, Justice Older than the Law, scheduled for 2019 re-release by Algonquin Books under the title Mighty Justice.

Since Mark Oblazney happened to be Leo Damore's researcher, hopefully he may be able to contribute his impression as to the degree of influence on Ms. Roundtree that Leo Damore and the prior authors had, who pointed Damore in the direction Ms. Roundtree seems to have gone towards what Peter Janney then "fleshed out," before it "flamed out."
« Last Edit: January 16, 2020, 01:43:34 AM by Tom Scully »

Offline Tom Scully

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The alleged Oswald note dropped off at the FBI's Dallas office to the attention of James Hosty that was destroyed instead of being preserved and shared with the Warren Commission.

As happened in 1963 - 64, exposed by the 1975 Frank Church Senate Committee inquiry and the follow on, HSCA investigations, the mission of the FBI that eclipses its mandated purpose is, no matter the consequences, the Director's perceived need to prevent the FBI - DOJ from "looking bad".

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/16/us/politics/leak-investigation-james-comey.html
Justice Dept. Investigating Years-Old Leaks and Appears Focused on Comey
An inquiry into years-old disclosures of classified information is highly unusual and leaves law enforcement officials open to accusations of politicizing their work.
January 16, 2020
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Law enforcement officials are scrutinizing at least two news articles about the F.B.I. and Mr. Comey, published in The New York Times and The Washington Post in 2017, that mentioned the Russian government document, according to the people familiar with the investigation. Hackers working for Dutch intelligence officials obtained the document and provided it to the F.B.I., and both its existence and the collection of it were highly classified secrets, the people said.

The document played a key role in Mr. Comey’s decision to sideline the Justice Department and announce in July 2016 that the F.B.I. would not recommend that Hillary Clinton face charges in her use of a private email server to conduct government business while secretary of state.
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The latest investigation involves material that Dutch intelligence operatives siphoned off Russian computers and provided to the United States government. The information included a Russian analysis of what appeared to be an email exchange during the 2016 presidential campaign between Representative Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Democrat of Florida who was also the chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee at the time, and Leonard Benardo, an official with the Open Society Foundations, a democracy-promoting organization whose founder, George Soros, has long been a target of the far right.

In the email, Ms. Wasserman Schultz suggested that then-Attorney General Loretta E. Lynch would make sure that Mrs. Clinton would not be prosecuted in the email case. Both Ms. Wasserman Schultz and Mr. Benardo have denied being in contact, suggesting the document was meant to be Russian disinformation.

That document was one of the key factors that drove Mr. Comey to hold a news conference in July 2016 announcing that investigators would recommend no charges against Mrs. Clinton. Typically, senior Justice Department officials would decide how to proceed in such a high-profile case, but Mr. Comey was concerned that if Ms. Lynch played a central role in deciding whether to charge Mrs. Clinton, Russia could leak the email.
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Whether the document was fake remains an open question. But American officials at the time did not believe that Ms. Lynch would hinder the Clinton email investigation, and neither Ms. Wasserman Schultz nor Mr. Benardo had any inside information about it. Still, if the Russians had released the information after the inquiry was closed, it could have tainted the outcome, hurt public confidence in the Justice Department and sowed discord.
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Offline Tom Scully

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Scully is self-referencing his arcane BS...

The greater evidence he ignores proves Janney is valid and the CIA network he witnessed in person that his father belonged to assassinated Mary Meyer...

Scully and DiEugenio ignore things like Joe and Toni Shimon...

Replying here, no need to crap on two threads. State your evidence supported opinion of who shot Mary Meyer.

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Starting with the oldest of the cases included in the thread title, the Ray Crump murder accusation and trial. Crump was fortunate to draw an apparently capable defense attorney, despite being unable personally to afford the cost of capable legal counsel.

I thought this was a misleading start....

Defense attorney Dovey Roundtree has made numerous conflicting claims since "winning" acquittal of defendant Crump in 1965. If the Mary Meyer funeral VIP list was not a wake up call for  Ms. Roundtree, that her client was accused of the shooting death of one of the most connected people in the midst of cold war Washington, what would have been? Perhaps a picture of Meyer in bed at the White House, with JFK. Also within a day or so after these details were published, the initial reporting that Cord Meyer was an "author and lecturer," was superceded by reporting of his employment with CIA. Not that the names of Angleton, Janney the personnel director at CIA, and Mrs. Samuel Lanahan, aka Scottie Fitzgerald, Mary's college roommate who described her "brothers" as Richard and Nathan Ober, Richard being a key CIA officer close to Angleton and later, Nixon. Walton, Bradlee, Bundy, and Kay Graham would also make most defense attorneys in Ms. Roundtree's situation, stand up and take notice.





The segment above, from this author, Ms. McCabe, as told to her by Ms. Roundtree, certainly seems a Leo Damore influenced "set up" for Peter Janney's 2012 book, Mary's Mosaic :
Since Mark Oblazney happened to be Leo Damore's researcher, hopefully he may be able to contribute his impression as to the degree of influence on Ms. Roundtree that Leo Damore and the prior authors had, who pointed Damore in the direction Ms. Roundtree seems to have gone towards what Peter Janney then "fleshed out," before it "flamed out."

Sadly, Tom, Dovey's mental faculties were quickly diminishing the last few years of her life (i.e., she call Leo Damore 'Leo Darosha' when I spoke to her.)  Leo's questions to Dovey already had an answer, (leading the witness).  I'd still like to know the whereabouts of 'that missin' .38, though. 

 

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