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[Walt Cakebread]

Maybe. Maybe not.

The issue here is ..The rifle. Size. Weight. Shipping.
As they say in the art world, "what is the provenance of this item?".

What do you hope to accomplish by arguing about the size, weight,and shipping?

[Walt Cakebread]

Maybe. Maybe not.

The issue here is ..The rifle. Size. Weight. Shipping.
As they say in the art world, "what is the provenance of this item?".

It doesn't matter if the TSBD rifle is the same rifle that Klein's sent to Lee Oswald's PO box.....  The conspirators wanted the gullible public to believe that it was Lee Oswald's rifle.    And they were successful.    However those same conspirators planted the rifle too far away from the "escape" aisle.   Detective Studebaker measured the distance from the North wall as 15' 4" but the official in situ photos show that it was photographed stuck between boxes at 13 feet from the North wall.

The brief video clip from Tom Alyea's film shows that Lt Day picked up the rifle FROM THE FLOOR  ( not jammed between boxes) where it was found lying on it's right side ( sling side up) 

The Conspirators were compelled to "reconstruct"  the scene and place the rifle about two feet closer to the aisle, after they fabricated the tale about Lee dashing by that spot and hastily discarding the rifle as he fled.....They realized that he wouldn't have had sufficient time to hide the rifle beneath the pallet of boxes of books not could he have reached across that span and deposited the eight pound rifle beneath the stack of boxes at the 15' 4' spot.   

[Jerry Organ]

It doesn't matter if the TSBD rifle is the same rifle that Klein's sent to Lee Oswald's PO box.....  The conspirators wanted the gullible public to believe that it was Lee Oswald's rifle.    And they were successful.    However those same conspirators planted the rifle to far away from the "escape" aisle.   Detective Studebaker measured the distance from the North wall as 15' 4" but the official in situ photos show that it was photographed stuck between boxes at 13 feet from the North wall.

The brief video clip from Tom Alyea's film shows that Lt Day picked up the rifle FROM THE FLOOR  ( not jammed between boxes) where it was found lying on it's right side ( sling side up) 

The Conspirators were compelled to "reconstruct"  the scene and place the rifle about two feet closer to the aisle, after they fabricated the tale about Lee dashing by that spot and hastily discarding the rifle as he fled.....They realized that he wouldn't have had sufficient time to hide the rifle beneath the pallet of boxes of books not could he have reached across that span and deposited the eight pound rifle beneath the stack of boxes at the 15' 4' spot.   

Stop being kooky.

The rifle was found south of the line of boxes near the pillar with the "No Smoking" sign.

South is towards left of picture. West is away from viewer.

South is towards bottom of picture. West is towards left.

The pillar is centered on 13' from the north wall. South face of pillar is about 13' 4 1/2". Boxes are about 16" to 18" long. Boxes further along seem to be a little more southward. Rifle was found to west of tall stack that reaches towards the "Stairway" sign.

[Walt Cakebread]

Stop being kooky.

The rifle was found south of the line of boxes near the pillar with the "No Smoking" sign.

South is towards left of picture. West is away from viewer.

South is towards bottom of picture. West is towards left.

The pillar is centered on 13' from the north wall. South face of pillar is about 13' 4 1/2". Boxes are about 16" to 18" long. Boxes further along seem to be a little more southward. Rifle was found to west of tall stack that reaches towards the "Stairway" sign.

You've got the measurements correct....The pillar's are 13 feet from the north wall...  But that is NOT where the rifle was found.....  That is where the conspirators moved the rifle to when they created the fake in situ photos.  Detective Studebaker measured the distance from the north wall to the rifle at 15' 4" ......And Tom Alyea's film shows Lt Day picking up the rifle FROM THE FLOOR by the sling.   He simply reaches out and grabs the sling near the butt and lifts the rifle up to Captain Fritz.... 

[Jerry Organ]

You've got the measurements correct....The pillar's are 13 feet from the north wall...  But that is NOT where the rifle was found.....  That is where the conspirators moved the rifle to when they created the fake in situ photos.  Detective Studebaker measured the distance from the north wall to the rifle at 15' 4" ......And Tom Alyea's film shows Lt Day picking up the rifle FROM THE FLOOR by the sling.   He simply reaches out and grabs the sling near the butt and lifts the rifle up to Captain Fritz....

Alyea's film shows the area where the rifle is lifted to be in the same area as the Crime Lab photographs, if you compare the boxes in them and other features. The film doesn't show the rifle on the floor in-situ, only after Day has prepared it to be lifted by the strap.

Alyea showed a photograph being made. (This film clip not seen in YouTube video at left)

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[Walt Cakebread]

Alyea's film shows the area where the rifle is lifted to be in the same area as the Crime Lab photographs, if you compare the boxes in them and other features. The film doesn't show the rifle on the floor in-situ, only after Day has prepared it to be lifted by the strap.

Alyea showed a photograph being made. (This film clip not seen in YouTube video at left)

Begin 3:17

Mr O, why are you so damned dishonest.....We both know that the Alyea clip has been posted many times and it shows Lt, Day as he stoops down and grabs the rifle that is LYING ON THE FLOOR with the sling side of the rifle up. (See at 0:44 Of the Alyea clip)

Do you think everybody is so stupid that they can't see that you've posted a copy of Alyea's film that has the frames cropped that show Lt Day stooping down to grab the sling of the rifle.

Thank you for displaying your dishonesty......

[Jerry Organ]

Mr O, why are you so damned dishonest.....We both know that the Alyea clip has been posted many times and it shows Lt, Day as he stoops down and grabs the rifle that is LYING ON THE FLOOR with the sling side of the rifle up. (See at 0:44 Of the Alyea clip)

Do you think everybody is so stupid that they can't see that you've posted a copy of Alyea's film that has the frames cropped that show Lt Day stooping down to grab the sling of the rifle.

Thank you for displaying your dishonesty......

I've seen the full film clip. That's why I wrote:

    "The film doesn't show the rifle on the floor in-situ,
     only after Day has prepared it to be lifted by the strap."

The full film clip begins with Day lifting the rifle from the floor, not with the rifle undisturbed. When the rifle was in-situ, Alyea was filming the Crime Lab photographer. I presume Day would have gently moved apart the boxes supporting the rifle such that the rifle could be lowered on its side and then gently picked up without disturbing prints and so forth. Excellent police work.

[Walt Cakebread]

I've seen the full film clip. That's why I wrote:

    "The film doesn't show the rifle on the floor in-situ,
     only after Day has prepared it to be lifted by the strap."

The full film clip begins with Day lifting the rifle from the floor, not with the rifle undisturbed. When the rifle was in-situ, Alyea was filming the Crime Lab photographer. I presume Day would have gently moved apart the boxes supporting the rifle such that the rifle could be lowered on its side and then gently picked up without disturbing prints and so forth. Excellent police work.

Such dishonesty!....  Why do you lie ?      You know the testimony of the witnesses ( Boone, Weitzman, Craig, Day, Studebaker, Alyea, and others) who all swore that the rifle was not disturbed prior to Day lifting it from the place that it had been hidden.   And Alyea's film shows Day stooping down and grabbing the rifle by the sling and picking it up.... It is NOT jammed between the boxes by the pillar that was 13 feet from the north wall.