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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2020, 09:44:01 PM »
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How were Klein's to send Oswald a 36 inch Carcano in March when they didn't have any to send? They had 40 inch rifles in stock and that's what they were offering under the catalogue #C20-T750.

What's your evidence that "they didn't have any to send"?

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #65 on: January 22, 2020, 09:47:59 PM »
How were Klein's to send Oswald a 36 inch Carcano in March when they didn't have any to send? They had 40 inch rifles in stock and that's what they were offering under the catalogue #C20-T750.

They were not offering the 40" rifle in the February issue of Rifleman. They didn't even alter the advert until April 1963?

They knew, or at least must have known, from the Department number on the order coupon that a 36" rifle was being ordered. If they had run out of stock, they IMO should have informed the client and give him the option of accepting a 40" rifle or cancel the order. I find it hard to believe they would simply send out a 40" rifle when a 36" rifle was ordered.

How were Klein's to send Oswald a 36 inch Carcano in March when they didn't have any to send?

Two questions for you;

Why would Klein's advertise a 36" MC in the February 1963 edition of Rifleman if they didn't have sufficient 36" in stock to last them more than a couple of weeks?

And how do you know that they did not have 36" MC in stock in March, more specifically mid-March, since the order coupon was send to them on March 12?

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #66 on: January 22, 2020, 10:14:07 PM »
They were not offering the 40" rifle in the February issue of Rifleman. They didn't even alter the advert until April 1963?

They knew, or at least must have known, from the Department number on the order coupon that a 36" rifle was being ordered. If they had run out of stock, they IMO should have informed the client and give him the option of accepting a 40" rifle or cancel the order. I find it hard to believe they would simply send out a 40" rifle when a 36" rifle was ordered.

How were Klein's to send Oswald a 36 inch Carcano in March when they didn't have any to send?

Two questions for you;

Why would Klein's advertise a 36" MC in the February 1963 edition of Rifleman if they didn't have sufficient 36" in stock to last them more than a couple of weeks?

And how do you know that they did not have 36" MC in stock in March, more specifically mid-March, since the order coupon was send to them on March 12?

Thanks for the clarification.

Would still be great to get more info on the shipping info. Cartons, wooden box, etc.

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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #67 on: January 22, 2020, 10:38:15 PM »
What's your evidence that "they didn't have any to send"?

Why else would they send a 40 inch rifle instead of a 36 inch? We know that they had just received 100 40 inch rifles the month before.

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #68 on: January 22, 2020, 10:43:09 PM »
They were not offering the 40" rifle in the February issue of Rifleman. They didn't even alter the advert until April 1963?

They knew, or at least must have known, from the Department number on the order coupon that a 36" rifle was being ordered. If they had run out of stock, they IMO should have informed the client and give him the option of accepting a 40" rifle or cancel the order. I find it hard to believe they would simply send out a 40" rifle when a 36" rifle was ordered.

How were Klein's to send Oswald a 36 inch Carcano in March when they didn't have any to send?

Two questions for you;

Why would Klein's advertise a 36" MC in the February 1963 edition of Rifleman if they didn't have sufficient 36" in stock to last them more than a couple of weeks?

And how do you know that they did not have 36" MC in stock in March, more specifically mid-March, since the order coupon was send to them on March 12?

April and February were just the cover dates on those editions of the magazine. The February edition would have been on store shelves probably as early as December. The April edition would have likely been on store shelves in February. If Klein's still had the 36 inch model in stock in March, then they would have shipped one of those to Oswald instead of the 40 inch.

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #70 on: January 22, 2020, 10:58:38 PM »
Why else would they send a 40 inch rifle instead of a 36 inch?

Well that would be a circular argument.

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #71 on: January 23, 2020, 12:24:14 AM »
April and February were just the cover dates on those editions of the magazine. The February edition would have been on store shelves probably as early as December. The April edition would have likely been on store shelves in February. If Klein's still had the 36 inch model in stock in March, then they would have shipped one of those to Oswald instead of the 40 inch.

April and February were just the cover dates on those editions of the magazine. The February edition would have been on store shelves probably as early as December. The April edition would have likely been on store shelves in February.

Nice theory, but there isn't a shred of evidence that this was the case for the American Rifleman. One can imagine that they would print and distribute the magazine somewhere in January to get it in the shops in the actual month. But if - as you say - it was in the stores in December, the magazine would have had to be printed in November, requiring the advertisers having to submit their adverts four months ahead of time. That simply does not make any sense, but even if we assume that you are correct, that would mean IMO that Klein's would have had to make sure that they had sufficient stock in store as they could not risk running out of rifles before the date of the magazine.

If Klein's still had the 36 inch model in stock in March, then they would have shipped one of those to Oswald instead of the 40 inch.

That's the same circular argument that John refered to in his last post.

The mere fact that Klein's shipped out a 40" rifle (if that is indeed what happened) is in no way proof that they had run out of 36" rifles. Like many other businesses, Klein's was dealing with people (like for instance collectors) who ordered a specific type and model rifle because that's the exact one they wanted. You just can not simply send them another rifle than the one ordered. It doesn't work like that now, nor did it back then. Besides, there is no evidence whatsoever that Klein's had run out of 36" rifles.
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