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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2020, 04:04:55 AM »
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This is from the "Carcano Page" website: ( Link ). Weights are at the bottom.

Assuming Tim is correct about the bayonet being part of the 7 lbs 7 oz rifle weight and that a folding-bayonet weights about 9 oz (from an auction site), then the bayonet-less Carcano weighed 6 lbs 14oz.

At that weight, one-hundred M91/38 Carcanos weighed 687 lbs 8 oz. leaving about 60 lbs for the shipping container.

The ad says 7.5 lb. Your posting. Bayonet is irrelevant. Removed afterward? Never there? We're talking original 100 rifle shipment. 750 lbs. FBI report, WC.

750 lbs in a 60lb container?

Still, that's about 810 lbs.

The 36" rifle weighs 5.5 lbs.

FBI paperwork suggests..100 36" rifles.

Klein's order form allegedly filled out by Oswald..36" rifle.

National archives rifle..40".

( P.S. A tip of the hat to Martha Moyer. And crazy John " I invented two Oswalds.. because...?" Armstrong, who is occasionally a good researcher...but a complete charlatan otherwise..)

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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2020, 04:41:25 AM »


I found this 1943 source for Model 38 Carcano weight of 7 1/2 pounds without the bayonet.


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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2020, 04:53:55 AM »
Ad shows 40" rifle, 7.5 lbs.  Per Mr. Organ.

What ad are you referring to?



Looks like 7 lbs to me.
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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2020, 05:00:51 AM »


I found this 1943 source for Model 38 Carcano weight of 7 1/2 pounds without the bayonet.

Do I see 7.35 mm? Also, it gives the length as 40 inches.

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2020, 05:03:17 AM »
The ad says 7.5 lb.

The Klein's February ad lists a Carcano at 5 1/2 lbs.

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Your posting. Bayonet is irrelevant. Removed afterward? Never there? We're talking original 100 rifle shipment. 750 lbs. FBI report, WC.

750 lbs in a 60lb container?

Still, that's about 810 lbs.

Tell me. Do you think the fellow who assembled the container and the fellow who picked it up had access to a scale that could weigh such weights? Or is it more likely that the customer phoned the shipper and said he was shipping 100 rifles that weighed 7 1/2 lbs each?

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The 36" rifle weighs 5.5 lbs.

The ad was wrong in those particulars (no Carcano weighs 5 1/2 lbs). Also wrong is the illustration. However, Klein's was receiving 40" Carcanos at a dollar over the TS price, and in turn selling the 40" Carcanos for $12.88, the price in the ad.

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FBI paperwork suggests..100 36" rifles.

That would mean the crate weighed 113 lbs.

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Klein's order form allegedly filled out by Oswald..36" rifle.

Order no. and price reflect a 40" Carcano. Do you think Klein's were shipping the illustrated rifle?

Or were they just lax in updating things? It was the Print Age; no faxes or web sites.

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National archives rifle..40".

( P.S. A tip of the hat to Martha Moyer. And crazy John " I invented two Oswalds.. because...?" Armstrong, who is occasionally a good researcher...but a complete charlatan otherwise..)

More than a tip of the hat.

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2020, 05:05:40 AM »
100 RIFLES

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Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2020, 05:06:11 AM »


I found this 1943 source for Model 38 Carcano weight of 7 1/2 pounds without the bayonet.

Thanks.

The WC / FBI present 40", 7.5 lb rifle as assassination weapon.

Also present "Oswalds rifle" as part of 100count carton of rifles weighing 750lbs. Including ..rifles, and packaging.

Something doesn't add up.

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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2020, 05:10:11 AM »
Do I see 7.35 mm? Also, it gives the length as 40 inches.

You think there's some significant weigh difference between a 7.35mm M91/38 and a 6.5mm M91/38? Do tell.

The Handbook also acknowledges the 6.5mm caliber.

Thanks.

The WC / FBI present 40", 7.5 lb rifle as assassination weapon.

Also present "Oswalds rifle" as part of 100count carton of rifles weighing 750lbs. Including ..rifles, and packaging.

Something doesn't add up.

You doing anything about it besides being a Smart Aleck?