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Offline John Tonkovich

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CE 2562
« on: January 14, 2020, 09:17:18 PM »
The FBI, in CE 2562, reports on a carton containing 100 Carcano rifles, including serial number C2766 rifle. The carton containing the rifles is listed as weighing 750 lbs. I.e. 7.5 lbs per rifle.
The rifle in the national archives is listed as weighing 8 lbs.

Your thoughts?

(Sorry for not linking to CE 2562. Having technical problems. CE 2562 is readily available at History Matters. And elsewhere.)

Thank you.
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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2020, 10:40:17 PM »
The FBI, in CE 2562, reports on a carton containing 100 Carcano rifles, including serial number C2766 rifle. The carton containing the rifles is listed as weighing 750 lbs. I.e. 7.5 lbs per rifle.
The rifle in the national archives is listed as weighing 8 lbs.

Your thoughts?

(Sorry for not linking to CE 2562. Having technical problems. CE 2562 is readily available at History Matters. And elsewhere.)

Thank you.

 

Historically the Carcano M91/38 "Short Rifle" variant averages about 7.5 ibs.

Offline John Tonkovich

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2020, 11:06:27 PM »
 

Historically the Carcano M91/38 "Short Rifle" variant averages about 7.5 ibs.

Of course, the 750lbs refers to the weight of the entire carton. 
Not just the rifles.

So, it's not possible to package 100 rifles in a carton, at 7.5 lbs each, i.e 750 lbs, plus the packaging, and come in at 750 lbs.

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2020, 11:33:29 PM »
What is the weight of Oswald's scope?

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2020, 11:43:55 PM »
Of course, the 750lbs refers to the weight of the entire carton. 
Not just the rifles.

So, it's not possible to package 100 rifles in a carton, at 7.5 lbs each, i.e 750 lbs, plus the packaging, and come in at 750 lbs.

The 91/38 Fucile Corto ,with bayonet attached, weighs 7 lbs 7 oz. Oswald's Carcano didn't have a bayonet.

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2020, 01:11:12 AM »
This is from the "Carcano Page" website: ( Link ). Weights are at the bottom.

Assuming Tim is correct about the bayonet being part of the 7 lbs 7 oz rifle weight and that a folding-bayonet weights about 9 oz (from an auction site), then the bayonet-less Carcano weighed 6 lbs 14oz.

At that weight, one-hundred M91/38 Carcanos weighed 687 lbs 8 oz. leaving about 60 lbs for the shipping container.

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2020, 01:29:20 AM »
What is the weight of Oswald's scope?

Irrelevant.
Ad shows only 40" rifle at 7.5 lbs.  Per Mr. Organ.

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2020, 01:30:53 AM »
The 91/38 Fucile Corto ,with bayonet attached, weighs 7 lbs 7 oz. Oswald's Carcano didn't have a bayonet.
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Ad shows 40" rifle, 7.5 lbs.  Per Mr. Organ.

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2020, 04:04:55 AM »
This is from the "Carcano Page" website: ( Link ). Weights are at the bottom.

Assuming Tim is correct about the bayonet being part of the 7 lbs 7 oz rifle weight and that a folding-bayonet weights about 9 oz (from an auction site), then the bayonet-less Carcano weighed 6 lbs 14oz.

At that weight, one-hundred M91/38 Carcanos weighed 687 lbs 8 oz. leaving about 60 lbs for the shipping container.

The ad says 7.5 lb. Your posting. Bayonet is irrelevant. Removed afterward? Never there? We're talking original 100 rifle shipment. 750 lbs. FBI report, WC.

750 lbs in a 60lb container?

Still, that's about 810 lbs.

The 36" rifle weighs 5.5 lbs.

FBI paperwork suggests..100 36" rifles.

Klein's order form allegedly filled out by Oswald..36" rifle.

National archives rifle..40".

( P.S. A tip of the hat to Martha Moyer. And crazy John " I invented two Oswalds.. because...?" Armstrong, who is occasionally a good researcher...but a complete charlatan otherwise..)

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Re: CE 2562
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2020, 04:41:25 AM »


I found this 1943 source for Model 38 Carcano weight of 7 1/2 pounds without the bayonet.


 

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