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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Oswald in New Orleans
« Reply #20 on: January 06, 2020, 07:37:22 PM »
You really should learn the facts ( perhaps , then you wouldn't appear as such a duffus)

Only an ignorant duffus would post the photo labeled CE 133C and claim that Lee had Marina take THREE  BY photos.    There is no Commission Exhibit as CE 133C

The Photo never even appeared until years after the Warren Commission was disband.   

But if the WC had entered the third pose into evidence, chances are they would have labelled it "CE 133C". The HSCA must have thought along those lines, as they labelled "CE 133C" as such in 1978.

You and I needn't be so nitpicky with all the spelling mistakes we make.

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Re: Oswald in New Orleans
« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2020, 08:02:03 PM »
But if the WC had entered the third pose into evidence, chances are they would have labelled it "CE 133C". The HSCA must have thought along those lines, as they labelled "CE 133C" as such in 1978.

You and I needn't be so nitpicky with all the spelling mistakes we make.
Of course, I never said these were from the Warren Commission. I grabbed them from a quick search and posted them. Whether they were from the WC or HSCA or elsewhere is irrelevant to my point about the behavior/nature of Oswald (as I see it).

As to the HSCA labeling, this is what they included (they named/labeled it 133-c): https://www.maryferrell.org/photos.html?set=HSCA-EXHIBITS

Corrected link: https://www.maryferrell.org/archive/photos/HSCA-EXHIBITS/Photo_hsca_ex_178.jpg
« Last Edit: January 06, 2020, 09:28:13 PM by Steve M. Galbraith »

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Re: Oswald in New Orleans
« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2020, 08:27:02 PM »
The question was: Why did LHO go to New Orleans? Whether or not Nixon was actually there isn’t relevant to the question. Marina apparently believed what she said LHO told her. And this was a contributing factor in the decision to go to New Orleans.

I don’t understand. Are you saying that it was Marina’s decision for Lee to go to New Orleans, because she believed he wanted to take a look at Nixon?

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Oswald in New Orleans
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2020, 08:31:29 PM »
If he succeeded, then it would be impossible to frame him for the JFK assassination since he would be in Cuba.

You are badly befuddled Mr "Smith"   .....   The Walker Hoax occurred in April of 1963.... The coup d ' etate occurred in November of 1963. 

If the Walker hoax had succeeded there may never have been a coup d 'etate.....  Because If Lee had learned that the Russians and their missiles had in fact cleared out of Cuba, then JFK would have been completely free to put more pressure on the CIA renegades who were causing all the problems by their attacks on Cuba and the Russian Ships that were in Cuba. ...   Who knows ...Perhaps the renegades who engineered the coup d' etate might have been in prison....and unable to promote the murder of JFK.

You have gone beyond fiction here to science fiction.  But try to focus.  You allege that the plan was to link Oswald to the Walker attempt in order for him to gain entry to Cuba as a spy.   Or something along those lines.  But no evidence is left at the crime scene for the authorities to link Oswald to the crime - the entire purpose of this alleged hoax.  Why wouldn't they leave something or somehow put the authorities onto Oswald as a suspect if that was the entire purpose of this plot?  It wouldn't be very difficult.  CTers certainly believe they organized an elaborate frame up of Oswald to link him to the JFK assassination but here there not so much.  And when the trail grows cold they do nothing.   Do you see the obvious fallacy in suggesting that the entire purpose of the Walker attempt was to link it to Oswald but then planting no evidence to do so?

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Re: Oswald in New Orleans
« Reply #24 on: January 06, 2020, 08:36:30 PM »
Oswald confessed to his own wife on the very night of the Walker attempt!  Oswald somehow knew about the attempt before any newspaper had reported it.

Marina said a lot of things that were inaccurate or inconsistent. Like the Nixon thing.

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He also had a photo of Walker's home

That was not “ in his possession”, it was in the Paine’s garage. How do you know that was his?

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and left Marina written instructions on what to do if he was arrested or killed.

You mean the unsigned, undated note in Russian that doesn’t mention Walker or shooting?

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The note is not signed, dated, or specifies an intent to murder Walker written in Oswald's own blood, and is not notarized by the Pope, so it can be dismissed.

This is just empty rhetoric. Just because you want the note to be about shooting Walker doesn’t make it so.

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Re: Oswald in New Orleans
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2020, 08:39:18 PM »
LBJ, the vice president, was in Dallas in the exact time frame that Marina reported this incident occurred.  She had never heard of LBJ, though, and only knew of Nixon as the VP.  As a result, she mixed the two up in her mind when equating a threat against the VP as a threat made against Nixon (who she thought of as the VP).

Marina said she was sure it wasn’t LBJ. Seems you believe in Marina’s inerrancy when it suits your biases (like knowing exactly when the press reported the Walker shooting).

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Re: Oswald in New Orleans
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2020, 08:40:46 PM »
And, of course, shortly before the assassination attempt, Oswald had Marina photograph him wearing this outfit. What a coincidence.

Not sure what you think his outfit tells you about who shot at Walker.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Oswald in New Orleans
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2020, 08:58:04 PM »
Thanks, I couldn’t remember what the actual facts were. Just another example of the inconsistencies that exist throughout the case that can be logically explained. Except to the CT crowd...

You have the Walker attempt on Apr. 10 and then LBJ's visit on April 23.  Oswald then leaves for New Orleans on April 24.  It seems pretty clear he is putting distance between himself and the Walker investigation. Two incidents in this timeframe are also indicative that Oswald is starting to lose it.  Marina testified and was convinced Oswald had said "Nixon."  But in every other respect, LBJ's visit on April 23, as VP, aligns with her account about Nixon.  The time frame, newspaper accounts etc.  A logical inference - of course rejected by CTers - is that she simply confused LBJ with Nixon because both served as VP.  It seems pretty obvious what happened when you look to the totality of Marina's account and the facts.

What is inexplicable is any alternative explanation for the Nixon story.  CTers imply or state that Marina made this story up or lied about it because Nixon didn't visit Dallas.  Why would she do that?  At the very least she, or whoever they suggest coerced her to implicate Oswald, would know that this story as it relates to a Nixon visit could easily be verified.  We are talking about a public figure.  Marina indicates the visit was reported in the newspaper where Oswald learned of it.  So an easy matter to verify.  So why make up a story about Nixon visiting Dallas if that never happened and could be debunked?  It is inexplicable.  If her story is the product of an intentional lie that she was coerced to make to implicate Oswald, it's a simple matter to check the record and make LBJ the target.  Why insist it was Nixon?  And what are the odds that LBJ is in Dallas at the relevant time?   And this visit is reported in the Dallas paper exactly as she indicated?  All the stars align with this incident when you realize that LBJ is the person referenced and Marina has confused him for Nixon because she links Nixon to the vice presidency.  She honestly but erroneously believed Nixon was the person Oswald referenced.

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Re: Oswald in New Orleans
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2020, 09:10:42 PM »
You have the Walker attempt on Apr. 10 and then LBJ's visit on April 23.  Oswald then leaves for New Orleans on April 24.  It seems pretty clear he is putting distance between himself and the Walker investigation. Two incidents in this timeframe are also indicative that Oswald is starting to lose it.  Marina testified and was convinced Oswald had said "Nixon."  But in every other respect, LBJ's visit on April 23, as VP, aligns with her account about Nixon.  The time frame, newspaper accounts etc.  A logical inference - of course rejected by CTers - is that she simply confused LBJ with Nixon because both served as VP.  It seems pretty obvious what happened when you look to the totality of Marina's account and the facts.

What is inexplicable is any alternative explanation for the Nixon story.  CTers imply or state that Marina made this story up or lied about it because Nixon didn't visit Dallas.  Why would she do that?  At the very least she, or whoever they suggest coerced her to implicate Oswald, would know that this story as it relates to a Nixon visit could easily be verified.  We are talking about a public figure.  Marina indicates the visit was reported in the newspaper where Oswald learned of it.  So an easy matter to verify.  So why make up a story about Nixon visiting Dallas if that never happened and could be debunked?  It is inexplicable.  If her story is the product of an intentional lie that she was coerced to make to implicate Oswald, it's a simple matter to check the record and make LBJ the target.  Why insist it was Nixon?  And what are the odds that LBJ is in Dallas at the relevant time?   And this visit is reported in the Dallas paper exactly as she indicated?  All the stars align with this incident when you realize that LBJ is the person referenced and Marina has confused him for Nixon because she links Nixon to the vice presidency.  She honestly but erroneously believed Nixon was the person Oswald referenced.

Yes, I agree. Also, it is conceivable that LHO could have told Marina he was going to check out the VP. And Marina could have asked if he was going to see Nixon (based on her mistaken memory of who was the VP). And LHO could have simply decided to lie and say yes. LHO lied compulsively (even when there was no apparent reason to lie) and apparently enjoyed doing so.
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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Oswald in New Orleans
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2020, 09:19:38 PM »
It's laughable that anyone - even a dishonest contrarian - would suggest that someone other than Oswald wrote the note.  Who else here would: 1) write a note in Russian; 2) ask that his military papers be retained; 3) instruct someone on what to do in the event of their arrest or death; 4) had a PO box.  Do you think Ruth Paine had military records and anticipated being arrested or killed?  That eliminates her.  Same for Marina.  So who else in that household does that leave that matches the relevant criteria relating to the substance of this note and the circumstances under which it was written?  No honest person would suggest there is a scintilla of doubt that LHO wrote the note.  Either he did or it is a complete fabrication to implicate him in the Walker shooting.  There is no possibility this note was written by anyone else for any other purpose who then somehow stuck it in a book belonging to the Oswalds in the Paine house.  Those are the only reasonable choices.  And the purpose of such a note, as confirmed by Marina, was in relation to the Walker situation.  No person is going to leave a note saying "Don't wait up. I'm off to murder Gen. Walker.  Lee Harvey Oswald."  That is what is being suggested.  And, of course, if Oswald had left such a detailed note implicating himself, CTers would allege handwriting is not a science etc.  An endless loop of lunacy.

 

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