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Offline Chris Bristow

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Re: Dal Tex Roof Shooter
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2020, 07:06:30 AM »
Yup, sorry, it was originally about the records building and I called it the jail and courthouse.
Not sure why you asked if I thought the whole Z film was a hoax. My point was the image near the sprocket is not an image of a gunman on any of the buildings mentioned. At frame 481 there is no way for any image from those buildings to end up on film. even when you consider  light rays entering by bouncing off the end of the lens housing,  that light source(The records building) could be no more than 90 degrees away from Z's line of sight to frame 481. After that there is no path for light from there too make its way into the camera.
If you draw a line representing Z's line of sight from the pedestal to the limo position in frame 481(basically the underpass), then draw a line at Z's location that is perpendicular to the first line it will denote what was 90 degrees off from Z's line of sight at frame 481. Any position west of that 2nd line(Less than 90 degrees) could conceivably hit the lens housing and bounce its way onto the film. But everything east of that line(more than 90 degrees) has no path to the lens at all. That 2nd line extends from the pedestal to the south peristyle between Main and Commerce. Any light source East of that has no path to enter the camera.
   But I think the even greater problem is the fact that while the shooter image stays in the same place as the camera pans almost 180 degrees, every other object recorded moves across the screen as Z panned right. even if the shooter image was from a stray reflection bouncing into the camera it would be impossible for it to remain stationary. 
 

Offline Jim Brazell

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Re: Dal Tex Roof Shooter
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2020, 07:53:49 AM »
Yup, sorry, it was originally about the records building and I called it the jail and courthouse.
Not sure why you asked if I thought the whole Z film was a hoax. My point was the image near the sprocket is not an image of a gunman on any of the buildings mentioned. At frame 481 there is no way for any image from those buildings to end up on film. even when you consider  light rays entering by bouncing off the end of the lens housing,  that light source(The records building) could be no more than 90 degrees away from Z's line of sight to frame 481. After that there is no path for light from there too make its way into the camera.
If you draw a line representing Z's line of sight from the pedestal to the limo position in frame 481(basically the underpass), then draw a line at Z's location that is perpendicular to the first line it will denote what was 90 degrees off from Z's line of sight at frame 481. Any position west of that 2nd line(Less than 90 degrees) could conceivably hit the lens housing and bounce its way onto the film. But everything east of that line(more than 90 degrees) has no path to the lens at all. That 2nd line extends from the pedestal to the south peristyle between Main and Commerce. Any light source East of that has no path to enter the camera.
   But I think the even greater problem is the fact that while the shooter image stays in the same place as the camera pans almost 180 degrees, every other object recorded moves across the screen as Z panned right. even if the shooter image was from a stray reflection bouncing into the camera it would be impossible for it to remain stationary.

Since we KNOW that the image is on the Zapruder film (no doubt), it would have to be a forgery to be on there. It is pretty easy to discern that it is a man ( seems to have a hat on) with his arms moving into position to fire. The shot could have taken place AT ANY TIME during the sequence. BTW, you are aware that 30.06 shells were discovered there a few years later, correct. There was some thought that the 2 bullets that hit on either side of the manhole cover that can be seem ricochetting off the cover in the Zfilm aligned perfectly with that shooter. There was also a small gun bullet found in the grass (famous picture of it being picked up with bus going by 12:39 on the TSBD clock). I have watched the Records Bldg. shooter on my 27" computer as well as my 65' TV and you can see the sky changing behind and above this shooter from frame to frame. There is a spotter (though not seen) in this same Zfilm. I did see it in another shot somewhere as the limo was coming down Houston Street in a quick roof shot of the Records Bldg. BTW there is also visual evidence of a smoke trail coming out of 2nd floor in a known film coming down Houston. And, of course the crack in the windshield top left of rear view mirror seen at Parkland. And then there is a shooter clearly seen in the left pergola in the Moreman photo, Nix and Bell films.There appears to be another shooter in that same location but he is not as obvious as the shooter with sunglasses on that I mentioned.

There are plenty of things with the Zapruder film that make you go WHAT but the Records Bldg. shooter doesn't seem particularly mystifying to me. It's on the film..so, if the film is not a fake, how did it get there ? My understanding is that 8MM film runs til it reaches the end and then the top film spool becomes the "catch " reel as it goes back the other way.You can see the outline of the head,chest and arms coming forward to take the shot.The Blevins picture I posted is a continuous replay of an extreme closeup shot complete with muzzle blast. If you can see it, it's there...kind of like the smoke seen under the trees on the grassy knoll and the magnifying glass looking straight at the supposed Oswald gun found on the 6th floor that was described in news reports for a day and a half as a 7.65 German Mauser.         

Offline Nicholas Turner

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Re: Dal Tex Roof Shooter
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2020, 08:11:08 AM »
More blobs being interpreted as gunmen.

Offline Jim Brazell

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Re: Dal Tex Roof Shooter
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2020, 08:17:33 AM »
More blobs being interpreted as gunmen.

Neat....with muzzle blast and all.

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Re: Dal Tex Roof Shooter
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2020, 08:20:21 AM »
Neat....with muzzle blast and all.

Just more interpretation of blobs.

Offline Chris Bristow

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Re: Dal Tex Roof Shooter
« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2020, 02:36:47 AM »
Not saying the image was planted there. The general opinion about it is that it is the result of a internal reflection from the shutter mechanism. Maybe that is right or maybe wrong but I think the natural explanation makes more sense than it actually being an image from the roof. That is because it is absolutely impossible for any image of Houston and Elm to pass through the cameras lens. Nothing North of Main on Houston could have ever found its way into the lens as late as frame 481.
 I would challenge anyone to draw a ray diagram of light going from the Records building to the lens and into the lens. Light ray diagrams are simple and straight forward. When light reflects of an object the angle it hits at is the angle it bounces off at. Like how you calculate the path of a pool ball that bounces off the cushion.  The angle of reflection equals the angle of incidence. It is impossible to find a path in which light from the records building could ever up on the negative at frame 481. That is just a simple fact of light reflection.

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Re: Dal Tex Roof Shooter
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2020, 12:08:44 PM »
Not saying the image was planted there. The general opinion about it is that it is the result of a internal reflection from the shutter mechanism. Maybe that is right or maybe wrong but I think the natural explanation makes more sense than it actually being an image from the roof. That is because it is absolutely impossible for any image of Houston and Elm to pass through the cameras lens. Nothing North of Main on Houston could have ever found its way into the lens as late as frame 481.
 I would challenge anyone to draw a ray diagram of light going from the Records building to the lens and into the lens. Light ray diagrams are simple and straight forward. When light reflects of an object the angle it hits at is the angle it bounces off at. Like how you calculate the path of a pool ball that bounces off the cushion.  The angle of reflection equals the angle of incidence. It is impossible to find a path in which light from the records building could ever up on the negative at frame 481. That is just a simple fact of light reflection.

The 8MM film ran for like 25 feet and then the bottom receiving reel became the dispensing reel. This created DOUBLE EXPOSURES in the i.s. area. The inter sprocket area shows several things not just the shooter on the Records Bldg. but spectators at the head end of Elm as well as the white fender of the motorcycle and wheel(Chaney's most likely),branches.bushes etc. Ironically, the motorcycle fender and wheel is actually over the shooters head in the i.s. area from about frames 310-333 (including the head shot at 313). This involves light by way of the aperture plate and overexposure...dark areas show the i.s. the best, wheres in light areas, it almost disappears.(See Main St. as the limo starts to accelerate). Zapruder's camera was especially prone to this (known flaw in this camera). There is quite a bit of info on this...makes for interesting reading IMO. The figure on the DCRB is NOT constant/in one stance in the film.         

Offline Jim Brunsman

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Re: Dal Tex Roof Shooter
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2020, 04:49:35 PM »
Barber is very consistently wrong, ever since his embarrassing performance on "Nova." No shot exited the front of the throat. Anyone who has done any honest research on the autopsy can say a shot exited the throat. How many witnesses describe Humes' frustration at being unable to locate an exit for the back shot? The fact that Specter, Humes and the rest rammed that nonsense down our throats doesn't make it any more viable. This also completely destroys the SBT, one of the dumbest theories in forensic history.

Offline Chris Bristow

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Re: Dal Tex Roof Shooter
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2020, 03:25:27 AM »
I have heard the faint images are due to the zoom function expanding the image which goes all the way into the frames before it and after it  because the gate doesn't block light hitting in the sprocket area. The faint image of Chaney's front fender takes a dip in one frame that makes it look like he tapped his front brake. But it is really his image from the next or previous frame when Zapruder rotates his camera a bit. That image bleeds over to another frame and since all we can see in that frame is the fender it looks like he taps his brake. Frame 280 is interesting because it shows the lamp post in 3 different position from 3 different frames

Offline Jim Brunsman

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Re: Dal Tex Roof Shooter
« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2020, 03:03:12 PM »
At least Barber is consistent. Consistently mistaken.

 

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