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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2019, 12:09:04 AM »
Marina told the HSCA that their plans were to move into a new apartment in another "week or two". And that she didn't agree to move in that weekend but that they would get back together later. So I think the explanation that the reason he left almost all of his money and his wedding ring was because they were splitting up is incorrect.

From her testimony:

Marina: "We were separated not for the reasons of having a divorce or something like that, it twas because of the financial difficulties and there was only one way we could manage to save some money, if we lived apart. He wanted to come back; we were planning to get together as soon as possible, so he did mention the apartment [the day before the assassination]."

And this:
Q.: Do you remember this particular discussion the day before the assassination about him renting an apartment in Dallas?
Marina: I think so.
Q.: Do you recall if he said when in particular he would rent this apartment?
M: The location, no.
Q. Not the location but when he would rent it?
M: In the very near future, maybe a week or two.

So from this account she said she had not agreed to move back with him that weekend but that she would later, in another week or two.

Y'know, for a CIA agent Oswald sure didn't have much money. I guess having no car, no house, no phone and not much of anything else was his cover. Because in conspiracy world everything indicates a conspiracy.

One thing for certain is that Paine was one of Oswald's handlers. So anything she did/said must be looked at with that in mind. As far as Oswald's poverty level was concerned, that's what the "False Defector" program was all about. Oswald was an Angleton singleton agent selected to be the pasty in the Big Event for Plan B just like Thomas Arthur Vallee was in Chicago for Plan A. Since Oswald was officially off the grid the CIA could disavow him.

You guys must think the CIA were a bunch of amateurs that couldn't pull off a coup. But that was their biz and they were pretty good at it up until the whole Bay of Pigs fiasco, which got Dulles fired and JFK declared war on them. We all know who prevailed.

Oswald was extracted from the fake defector program to be the patsy, otherwise, there is no way in hell that Oswald gets a job at the TSBD 3 weeks before Nov 22rd and the motorcade route gets re-routed down Elm, plus a thousand other "coincidences" that made the Big Event viable. It is much easier to accept the truth that this was a coup d'etat and Oswald was the patsy than he was a LNer with the luck of the Irish.
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Offline Charles Collins

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2019, 12:33:49 AM »
One thing for certain is that Paine was one of Oswald's handlers. So anything she did/said must be looked at with that in mind. As far as Oswald's poverty level was concerned, that's what the "False Defector" program was all about. Oswald was an Angleton singleton agent selected to be the pasty in the Big Event for Plan B just like Thomas Arthur Vallee was in Chicago for Plan A. Since Oswald was officially off the grid the CIA could disavow him.

You guys must think the CIA were a bunch of amateurs that couldn't pull off a coup. But that was their biz and they were pretty good at it up until the whole Bay of Pigs fiasco, which got Dulles fired and JFK declared war on them. We all know who prevailed.

Oswald was extracted from the fake defector program to be the patsy, otherwise, there is no way in hell that Oswald gets a job at the TSBD 3 weeks before Nov 22rd and the motorcade route gets re-routed down Elm, plus a thousand other "coincidences" that made the Big Event viable. It is much easier to accept the truth that this was a coup d'etat and Oswald was that patsy than he was a LNer with the luck of the Irish.


One thing for certain is that Paine was one of Oswald's handlers. So anything she did/said must be looked at with that in mind.

Yeah, all the “suspicious behavior” like playing the guitar for her kids when putting them to bed on the eve of the “big event.” And taking her daughter to the dentist on the morning of the “big event.” It’s “so obvious” that she takes the responsibility of her “handling” of LHO very seriously...

Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2019, 12:56:05 AM »

One thing for certain is that Paine was one of Oswald's handlers. So anything she did/said must be looked at with that in mind.

Yeah, all the “suspicious behavior” like playing the guitar for her kids when putting them to bed on the eve of the “big event.” And taking her daughter to the dentist on the morning of the “big event.” It’s “so obvious” that she takes the responsibility of her “handling” of LHO very seriously...

An agent would be negligent if they didn't do their domestic duty including the day to day stuff that would not blow their cover. Give them some credit. What did you expect Paine to tell you what she was up to? Dig deeper.
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2019, 12:59:57 AM »
Hah, don't be surprised if that isn't suggested by one of the Oswald defenders. More than one.

And he had his revolver and extra bullets because the apartment he was looking into was in a dangerous part of town.

Do you all make up strawman arguments all the time to try to make people forget that you can’t actually prove that your made-up narrative is true?

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Look, Oswald shot JFK. Maybe he was manipulated, maybe he was used, maybe he had some help (or thought he was going to get some). But the evidence is powerful for me that he shot JFK. And any alternate explanation of what happened that day simply don't make sense. Put that together and one has to start with Oswald shooting JFK: then argue/suggest a conspiracy from there. Otherwise one is just falling for "the wish is the father of the idea." That is: You want to believe in a conspiracy.

No doubt that is true for some. Just as it’s true that for other people they just want to believe that Oswald did it.

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2019, 01:09:39 AM »
Yeah, all the “suspicious behavior” like playing the guitar for her kids when putting them to bed on the eve of the “big event.”

Is that in this interview? I haven’t watched it yet. I don’t recall her ever mentioning that before.

Offline Charles Collins

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2019, 01:36:55 AM »
Is that in this interview? I haven’t watched it yet. I don’t recall her ever mentioning that before.

Yes it is. It takes place at her old house that has been renovated to look like it did in 1963 and turned into a museum of sorts. Definitely worth a look.

Edit: Another comment Ruth made that I don’t remember hearing about before involved LHO using Michael Paine’s drill press. She said he drilled a hole in a peso and made a pendant necklace for Marina soon after he arrived from Mexico.
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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2019, 03:46:12 AM »
Yes it is. It takes place at her old house that has been renovated to look like it did in 1963 and turned into a museum of sorts. Definitely worth a look.

The Paine House museum is definitely worth a visit if you’re ever in the Dallas area.

I made a couple of videos when I was there a few years ago.


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Offline Charles Collins

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2019, 12:27:09 PM »
The Paine House museum is definitely worth a visit if you’re ever in the Dallas area.

I made a couple of videos when I was there a few years ago.



Thanks, I plan to visit there the next time I get to Dallas. I noticed the guitar in your video. It was probably there in the interview video when they did a similar tour of the house. But I hadn’t noticed it before.

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #18 on: December 14, 2019, 04:28:21 PM »

One thing for certain is that Paine was one of Oswald's handlers. So anything she did/said must be looked at with that in mind.

Yeah, all the “suspicious behavior” like playing the guitar for her kids when putting them to bed on the eve of the “big event.” And taking her daughter to the dentist on the morning of the “big event.” It’s “so obvious” that she takes the responsibility of her “handling” of LHO very seriously...
A Quaker pacifist housewife with three (or was it two?) small children is a CIA handler for operatives operating out of Ft. Worth, Texas.

This is what they believe.

There is no evidence whatsoever that she was a "CIA handler" for Oswald. None. No documents indicate this, no eyewitnesses have even suggested it. It's complete fantasy. All we get is this "But her sister...!"

Paine testified in the WC and HSCA. At no time did she ever implicate Oswald in the assassination. She never said he expressed hatred towards JFK (in fact, she said she never heard him say anything about JFK). She never said she found his rifle in the garage. She never said she saw him leave that morning with a package. And on and on and on.

If Paine was part of this conspiracy to frame Oswald she could have said far more damaging things than she did. But she didn't. Why?

The Oswald defenders don't like these type of questions. If I was one of them I wouldn't either. Because they can't answer them. They can't even consider them. For if they do their entire fantasy is exposed for what it is.
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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Ruth Paine remembers the Assassination
« Reply #19 on: December 14, 2019, 05:04:40 PM »




"JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE
Why He Died And Why It Matters"
By James W. Douglas
p.177

-snip-

"On October 9, 1963, one week before Lee Harvey Oswald began his job at a site overlooking the president's future parade route,
an FBI official in Washington, D.C., disconnected Oswald from a federal alarm system that was about to identify him as a threat to
national security. The FBI man's name was Marvin Gheesling. He was a supervisor in the Soviet espionage section at FBI headquarters.
His timing was remarkable. As author John Newman remarked in an analysis of this phenomenon, Gheesling "turned off the alarm switch
on Oswald literally an instant before it would have gone off."



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