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Offline Charles Collins

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Re: JFK Assassination references in “The Irishman”
« Reply #10 on: December 07, 2019, 01:25:52 AM »
Bill Paxton was an eight year old in the crowd in Fort Worth to see JFK on the day Kennedy died. He became a successful actor and co-produced the movie "Parkland" based on the book "Four Days in November". He may have had other LN-type projects in mind but died mysteriously at age 61 in 2017, some days after open-heart surgery.

The "official" line was that Paxton had suffered rheumatic fever as a child, which damaged his heart. Still some wonder if he was silenced by rogue elements of the CT community.

Nice parody!

Offline Royell Storing

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Re: JFK Assassination references in “The Irishman”
« Reply #11 on: December 07, 2019, 01:27:47 AM »
Also, at 3.5 hours, “The Irishman” is a bit too long. I’m glad they didn’t go on a long tangent into the Kennedy assassination.

I think a movie that focuses on Carlos Marcello and the Kennedy assassination would be more interesting way to dramatize the Mob theories.

    The book also went into the extended time Sheeran was under fire in Europe during WW2. His avg time under fire was 8X higher than the avg Dog Face. This was attributed to his frame of mind when the war was over and his eventually becoming a hit man. I found this interesting though the movie did Not go into it.  Per the book, Hoffa paid Nixon $400,000 for his pardon in "75". The last 30 minutes drug a little but the 1st 3 hours went by quickly.
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: JFK Assassination references in “The Irishman”
« Reply #12 on: December 07, 2019, 05:54:56 AM »
    If that were true how did Bugliosi manage to hang around? Posner is still kicking. The above speculation makes a Dart Firing Umbrella sound pretty tame.

I think he was being sarcastic.

Offline Charles Collins

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Re: JFK Assassination references in “The Irishman”
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2019, 12:36:44 PM »
I think he was being sarcastic.

Yes, it was a parody. And it made me chuckle...

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Re: JFK Assassination references in “The Irishman”
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2019, 03:13:55 PM »

    If any of you view the flick, stick around until the lengthy credits have concluded. Following the credits there is a roughly 25 minute round table discussion between Scorsese, De Niro, Pesci, and Pacino regarding the film, the CGI age reduction, their character portrayals, etc. The interaction between them is also of interest. Pesci being the most Real person among the 4.
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Re: JFK Assassination references in “The Irishman”
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2019, 12:36:38 AM »
I watched the movie today and enjoyed it. One thing that shocked  me more than a little was the flag at half-mast at the teamsters union headquarters in Washington DC after the JFK assassination (like the others all over the country and probably elsewhere). The movie shows Hoffa’s reaction as he noticed it. And Hoffa subsequently forcing his union employees to raise it to the top of the mast as a show disrespect to JFK.

Did this actually happen that way?

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Re: JFK Assassination references in “The Irishman”
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2019, 01:24:04 AM »
Possibly a good many did not feel good about the Kennedy Era. Victor Lasky's critical book "JFK: The Man & The Myth" topped the 1963 NY Times Bestseller List from October 6th to December 1st. It was back at No. 2 on December 22nd. It began 1964 sitting at No. 3 from January 5th to March 4th. On April 12th it was no longer on the Top Ten. By then, reprints of "Profiles in Courage" and "A Day in the Life of President Kennedy" were appearing on the chart, along with the UPI account "Four Days" (the top seller for the whole year).

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Re: JFK Assassination references in “The Irishman”
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2019, 03:41:27 AM »
I watched the movie today and enjoyed it. One thing that shocked  me more than a little was the flag at half-mast at the teamsters union headquarters in Washington DC after the JFK assassination (like the others all over the country and probably elsewhere). The movie shows Hoffa’s reaction as he noticed it. And Hoffa subsequently forcing his union employees to raise it to the top of the mast as a show disrespect to JFK.

Did this actually happen that way?

    Do Not know if the half mast routine really happened, but with AG Bobby Kennedy having created a "Get Hoffa Squad" inside the Justice Dept, Hoffa felt justified in any course of action he chose to take.  Hoffa was also against the Mob Bosses cutting a deal with Joe Kennedy to secure Illinois for JFK in the "60" election. Once JFK failed to provide the air support for the Bay Of Pigs Invasion, and the Mafia then knew that they were Never going to get their Cuban casinos back/open as Joe Kennedy had promised, JFK was toast.

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Re: JFK Assassination references in “The Irishman”
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2019, 11:54:33 AM »
    Do Not know if the half mast routine really happened, but with AG Bobby Kennedy having created a "Get Hoffa Squad" inside the Justice Dept, Hoffa felt justified in any course of action he chose to take.  Hoffa was also against the Mob Bosses cutting a deal with Joe Kennedy to secure Illinois for JFK in the "60" election. Once JFK failed to provide the air support for the Bay Of Pigs Invasion, and the Mafia then knew that they were Never going to get their Cuban casinos back/open as Joe Kennedy had promised, JFK was toast.


Have you read the book? Does it claim that the half-mast routine is really true? Or was this just something that the Hollywood folks thought would make for good drama in the movie?

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Re: JFK Assassination references in “The Irishman”
« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2019, 04:07:55 PM »


Have you read the book? Does it claim that the half-mast routine is really true? Or was this just something that the Hollywood folks thought would make for good drama in the movie?

    I have read the book and do Not recall if the half-mast routine was included. It might have been a throw away line in the book and dramatized to a greater extent in the movie. Hoffa's hatred for AG Bobby Kennedy and his "Get Hoffa" squad makes the half-mast flag raising easy to accept as being fact. Per the book, Nixon pardoned Hoffa for a $400,000 "contribution" to the Nixon Re-Election Campaign. The cash was carried by Hit Man Sheeran and handed directly to Nixon's AG John Mitchell. Unknown to Hoffa at the time was the pardon also included the caveat that Hoffa could Not run for President of the Teamster's Union until 1980. I would guess that Nixon also got a kick back/$$$ from current Teamster Pres Frank Fitzsimmons for inclusion of that caveat. Raising a flag from half-mast is duck soup in comparison to what Hoffa wanted done to the prominent names on his lengthy enemies list. 

 

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