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Offline Lee Wotton

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There you have 2 different directions of shooting and more than 3 shots.  This equals CONSPIRACY.


Lee,

No question that bullets coming from two different directions proves a conspiracy. I believe there were multiple shots from different directions but don't follow your logic here.

- "Bullet from front at reduced velocity through windshield enters JFK's throat with insufficient power to emerge out the other side."

- "Through and through windshield bullet hole requires high velocity round."



I am not sure what you are saying with these statements as they are incongruent. Please define what you believe to be the speed of "high velocity rounds" and what velocity you believe is necessary for a "through and through windshield bullet hole". Are you trying to say that a bullet passing through a car windshield must be traveling at a high velocity and the resistance of the windshield glass reduces the speed of the bullet to the extent that it would enter JFK's soft neck tissue but not exit?

Even pistol bullets traveling at the relatively low velocity of +/-800 feet per second [as compared to high velocity rifle bullets] can easily penetrate vehicle windshield glass. Bullets traveling at "high velocity" are not necessary for a "through and through windshield bullet hole".


"-Bullet through windshield denting top metal framing of windshield with fragments deflected down into Connally's thigh.  Fragments were also found in Greer's seat, the foot well where Kellerman sat and under the jump seat"

The bullet or bullet fragment which dented the chrome strip at the "top metal framing of windshield" could not have come through the front of the windshield and then impacted the chrome strip above the drivers heads. This bullet or bullet fragment must have come from behind the limousine rather than through the front windshield.

"-Bullet that hit Connally in the back going through him and exiting low down on his suit coat possibly breaking his wrist too".

The bullet that entered Governor Connally's back and exited his chest just below his right nipple did not exit low down on his suit coat.

Hi Lloyd,

Thanks for your post.  I didn't word certain parts of it too well.

By reduced velocity I meant passing through the windshield reduced the bullet's velocity and energy so it entered JFK's throat but didn't pass right through.

High velocity is in terms of a military weapon as it went through the windscreen from quite a distance being level with the overpass but some distance to the limo's left

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Offline John Mytton

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John,

I am not disagreeing with Lee's basic premise, I just don't understand what he is saying about the direction of the shots and evidence of bullet and bullet fragments and the damage they caused to the vehicle.

"Couldn't a bullet from the back have an equal chance of penetrating the windscreen?"


Yes, it is possible. A bullet or larger bullet fragment traveling from the rear toward the front of the limousine could penetrate the windshield. Not sure how this proves more than one shooter.
Oswald on the 6th floor fired 3 shots and that's that!

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2018, 05:56:06 PM »
There you have 2 different directions of shooting and more than 3 shots.  This equals CONSPIRACY.


Lee,

No question that bullets coming from two different directions proves a conspiracy. I believe there were multiple shots from different directions but don't follow your logic here.

- "Bullet from front at reduced velocity through windshield enters JFK's throat with insufficient power to emerge out the other side."

- "Through and through windshield bullet hole requires high velocity round."



I am not sure what you are saying with these statements as they are incongruent. Please define what you believe to be the speed of "high velocity rounds" and what velocity you believe is necessary for a "through and through windshield bullet hole". Are you trying to say that a bullet passing through a car windshield must be traveling at a high velocity and the resistance of the windshield glass reduces the speed of the bullet to the extent that it would enter JFK's soft neck tissue but not exit?

Even pistol bullets traveling at the relatively low velocity of +/-800 feet per second [as compared to high velocity rifle bullets] can easily penetrate vehicle windshield glass. Bullets traveling at "high velocity" are not necessary for a "through and through windshield bullet hole".


"-Bullet through windshield denting top metal framing of windshield with fragments deflected down into Connally's thigh.  Fragments were also found in Greer's seat, the foot well where Kellerman sat and under the jump seat"

The bullet or bullet fragment which dented the chrome strip at the "top metal framing of windshield" could not have come through the front of the windshield and then impacted the chrome strip above the drivers heads. This bullet or bullet fragment must have come from behind the limousine rather than through the front windshield.

"-Bullet that hit Connally in the back going through him and exiting low down on his suit coat possibly breaking his wrist too".

The bullet that entered Governor Connally's back and exited his chest just below his right nipple did not exit low down on his suit coat.

If you have proof that anyone other than the shooter knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day, by all means post it.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2018, 05:58:15 PM by Bill Chapman »

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2018, 06:01:26 PM »



Oswald on the 6th floor fired 3 shots and that's that!



JohnM

Look at my original post and cite some evidence that there were only three bullets from one direction.  Then you can tell me about that new law of Physics you've discovered.

Only one bullet was attributed to the MC and that was planted at Parkland with no loss of mass that would indicate it hit anything at all.  Never mind caused the injuries that day. 

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2018, 06:02:30 PM »



Oswald on the 6th floor fired 3 shots and that's that!



JohnM

Anything is possible in the CT twilight zone, except that.

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2018, 06:04:38 PM »
If you have proof that anyone other than the shooter knew there was to be an attempt made on Kennedy that day, by all means post it.

No Bill lets stick to my original post and you cite evidence that counters the number of bullets fired / witnessed and the number of directions.

My OP was posted to focus on the number of bullets fired and accounted for and from which direction they came.  I welcome you countering any points in my OP

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2018, 06:06:38 PM »
Bill,

All you LN'ers are in denial anddon't even believe the HSCA.  Lets keep this topic on the OP please.  Go ahead take a part the OP points made

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Re: Forget Oswald and Who....The Number of Bullets & Shooters Proves Conspiracy
« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2018, 06:11:21 PM »
Look at my original post and cite some evidence that there were only three bullets from one direction.  Then you can tell me about that new law of Physics you've discovered.

Only one bullet was attributed to the MC and that was planted at Parkland with no loss of mass that would indicate it hit anything at all.  Never mind caused the injuries that day.
A. About 95% of the earwitnesses said all the bullets came from one direction, meaning no crossfire.
B. There were bullet fragments in the Limo that were exclusively matched to Oswalds rifle.
C. CE399 was missing a tiny amount of lead and the amount of lead in Connally was tiny.

JohnM